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US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by andsoitis »

noworriesnate wrote: post #42
yoavm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that "No Jews No News" hints that Altman is in the news only because he's Jewish. It means that people care about _bad things_ more when they're done by Jews. The fact that Einstein is Einstein and Marx is Marx is only relevant if you're claiming that the reason people like blaming Jews is due to jealously of their relative success.

No, the “No Jews, No Jews” saying doesn’t have anything to do with the perceived negativity of the news item. It has to do with the fact that Jews were involved in some way (good or bad). I’m pointing out is that maybe that’s because Jews are just more involved in pivotal developments than are non-Jews. Making this about “bad news” implies that there’s systematic racism against Jews in the news industry, and I’m sorr…

> Jews are just more involved in pivotal developments than are non-Jews.

What? That’s either some exceptionalism or scapegoating. Or both.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by dji4321234 »

coliveira wrote: post #10

Just a small part of the biggest spy network ever invented, which is woven into practically all software and tech infrastructure we use in the West and backed by large corporations with ties to that small country.

Western state agencies and mid-tier bootleg spyware vendors are neutral at best and antagonists overall. At best, bootleg spyware vendors drop exploits which agencies can reverse and use for their own purposes. But in general, these vendors bring unwanted attention and burn exploits which the state agencies would like to use. These are not part of a global conspiracy, they are competing groups with the same goals.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by forgotTheLast »

School-Cotton wrote: post #63
kennywinker wrote: post #18

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Their motivation is they are fascists. Like not in an “anything I don’t like is fascism” kinda way - literal fascists. If you’d like to know more about them, an article in the AP isn’t the right place to find more. But it is a good way to let people know what the US is funding in the world.

What's your definition of fascist and what is your argument that Meloni's party is fascist? I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you -- genuinely curious about your perspective. The most damning bit in her Wikipedia article is this: "In 1992 Meloni joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a neo-fascist political party founded in 1946 by followers of Italian fascism. She later became…

> various organizations that were originally founded by fascists then later moderated (roughly similar to the French FN/RN).

The reason those journalists were targeted is because they infiltrated one of those organizations and found that they were in fact still very much fascist behind closed doors (or at the very least racist and antisemitic).

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Post by linotype »

westmeal wrote: post #65
wesselbindt wrote: post #38

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Goodness me where oh where could that anti US bias come from? Couldn't be the illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos during the Vietnam War, couldn't be arming the Guatamalans who carried out the silent Holocaust, couldn't be arming the Turks while they were slaughtering Kurds, couldn't be the illegal invasion of Iraq, killing up to a million people, and torturing others without due process, ultimately leading to viole…

All of that was for freedoms though /s

Yeah I forgot that Europe wasn’t involved in Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

breppp wrote: post #12
kennywinker wrote: post #8

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Headlines are written by the publisher not the author. They’re written to maximize readership. The fact that spying happened in italy by italians is mostly only interesting to italians. The fact that the US backs an israeli company that sells spying tools is interesting to many more people. You can see the selling clicks, but because they’re not twisting the truth or saying something misleading - in this case I mostl…

However, the fact that companies sell offensive cyber warfare software to governments is not new, and that specific company isn't either. There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government, Italy is not Iran or Zambia. And fighting terror or crime using software is valid. The only thing that surprises me is that a western government might attack journalists, and what I'd lik…

> There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government

i emphatically beg to differ with this statement

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Post by returningfory2 »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #67
linotype wrote: post #61

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How so? By asking Europe to pay for the defense of Europe?

Also by floating proposals that the Danish and British cede their stewardship of Greenland and Canada to the USA.

Canada is an independent country and not under the stewardship of the British.

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Post by wesselbindt »

linotype wrote: post #75
westmeal wrote: post #65

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All of that was for freedoms though /s

Yeah I forgot that Europe wasn’t involved in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Oh get off it. We all know who pushed for the invasions. We all know who operated the black sites.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by coldtea »

breppp wrote: post #12
kennywinker wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Headlines are written by the publisher not the author. They’re written to maximize readership. The fact that spying happened in italy by italians is mostly only interesting to italians. The fact that the US backs an israeli company that sells spying tools is interesting to many more people. You can see the selling clicks, but because they’re not twisting the truth or saying something misleading - in this case I mostl…

However, the fact that companies sell offensive cyber warfare software to governments is not new, and that specific company isn't either. There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government, Italy is not Iran or Zambia. And fighting terror or crime using software is valid. The only thing that surprises me is that a western government might attack journalists, and what I'd lik…

>There's also nothing inherently wrong with selling intelligence tools to a western government, Italy is not Iran or Zambia

It's not like Iran or Zambia precisely to the degree it doesn't use such tools.

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