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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by lazystar »

nindalf wrote: post #205
blitzar wrote: post #102

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Pro tip from a lifelong life enthusiast: if its breaking news, wait one week - first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive. Flick through last weeks newspaper if you need reassurance.

Pro tip from an absolute rando: don’t bother with any source of breaking news. Read a weekly paper that summarises the important stuff. If something is truly pressing, you’ll hear about it from friends or coworkers.

pro tip from an internet addict - r/aviation has a great community of pilots and aviation techs with insightful comments.

https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1l9hqzp/air_india...

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by snickerbockers »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #426
snickerbockers wrote: post #384

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that's actually not true and it's very easy to disprove because SFO is in the top 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_i... . I'm sure this is an airport most of the people on this site are familiar with but just in case you aren't, it's on reclaimed land in the San Francisco bay.

SFO is surrounded by numerous highways, office buildings, and residential areas

well yeah but im talking about the part where the planes land not the terminal.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by [deleted] »

CPLX wrote: post #410
cschmatzler wrote: post #247

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A 787 can still climb with flaps up and two healthy engines. In the video that was posted everywhere, you can CLEARLY hear the RAT spin, which gets deployed automatically when both engines go out.

> A 787 can still climb with flaps up and two healthy engines Not at takeoff weight with the gear down, this sentence is incorrect.

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by [deleted] »

CPLX wrote: post #209
SecretDreams wrote: post #110

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There's footage after takeoff of it descending with the air ram deployed, no engine power, gears down, and flaps up. TBD on the cause, but loss of engines for some reason seems to be the case. I do agree that a lot of info comes out first week that isn't all right. I'm just reciting what's been shown in videos.

Do you have a link to that footage? I've seen speculation on this from very blurry video but nothing like proof. On the professional pilot forums the consensus guess is inadvertent flap retraction, instead of gear retraction, leading to inability to climb.

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by VBprogrammer »

newdee wrote: post #425
randomNumber7 wrote: post #343

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Some people trust their own thinking to judge what they see. We know it called mayday and then lost communication. It also stopped transmitting GPS data. Looking at this it likely lost all electric power. The electric power comes from generators driven by the turbines. If you lose both turbines you lose electricity. You also lose the hydraulic system so you can not get in the gear or change flaps. Occam's razor check…

Don’t these Dreamliners also have back batteries?

Even on light GA aircraft the radio will run for an hour on the starter battery. This narrative doesn't sound realistic.

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Post by dyauspitr »

prmph wrote: post #335
FridayoLeary wrote: post #101

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Yes. Unfortunately this year alone will give him quite a backlog. Every month there's been a couple of disasters or near disasters and there's no apparent connection between any of them.

Yep, looks like the return of regular airline crashes. The 2010s will probably be the apogee of airline safety for some time to come.

Why though? What’s changing? With all the relevant data this would probably be a good problem for an LLM to “ponder”.

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Post by jibe »

teitoklien wrote: post #435

A Boeing Whistleblower engineer had warned of premature failure of this Boeing 787 Dreamliner and had asked US congress to bring down every single plane of this model type 1 year ago. He died of “suicide” suspiciously right after. I hope Boeing gets investigated for failure after failure after failure, and crashes it has caused recently. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...

His warnings were about the fuselage construction. This doesn’t appear to be a structural failure, of the type he was worried about.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by progbits »

okdood64 wrote: post #285
bartread wrote: post #73

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Yeah, I think I might wait for the MentourPilot take on this one. I can't see any benefit in speculating. Horrifying that it came down in a residential area with almost all its fuel still on board though. The aftermath is beyond belief.

blancolirio on YT gives more timely but objective (i.e., tries to stick to the latest facts) takes on aviation incidents. There will be a fair bit of speculation still...

He made a quick video on this one, but just listing questions we don't have answers to yet, and warning that there will be plenty of speculation. I expect he will have several follow ups as more facts come up.
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