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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

orwin wrote: post #441
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the amount of cash and/or subsidies that Le Monde has received in the last 30 years from the French government, you may as well read the Pravda. Nobody bites the hand that feeds them.

I don't think it received anything? Besides a VAT of 3%? But it is the voice of it's 3 owners.

You can read all about it here https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aides_%C3%A0_la_presse_en_Fran... if you want and if you understand French.

Basically the French new outlets are some of the most subsidized on the planet.

Just to give you some quick figures, in 2010, the French government gave news outlets 1.8B euros in subsidies and in 2012 another 1.2B euros. There is no mention of the subsidies in the years after that but there is no reason to think that these would have shrunk significantly.

That's not even mentioning the special tax breaks that journalists get and the fact that most news outlets are staffed by union members.

Knowing that most unions are leaning left politically, it is fair to say that the coverage of the news by these outlets will be tainted by their political ideology. It's just human nature.

All of this to say that in light of all this, it is best to treat any French news outlet as basically an arm of the government that will never go against the interests of the their real owners, the politicians, unions and the billionaires.

Le Monde is but one of these outlets but nevertheless they take the money just like the other ones.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by whiteboardr »

nindalf wrote: post #205
blitzar wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro tip from a lifelong life enthusiast: if its breaking news, wait one week - first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive. Flick through last weeks newspaper if you need reassurance.

Pro tip from an absolute rando: don’t bother with any source of breaking news. Read a weekly paper that summarises the important stuff. If something is truly pressing, you’ll hear about it from friends or coworkers.

+1

“news” detox is as important as a healthy or non existent interaction with social media.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by rsync »

chromehearts wrote: post #142
DanielleMolloy wrote: post #107

There is a person on X who says he has left the plane before takeoff and has uploaded videos of non-functional entertainment panels: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455

No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc.

"No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc."

No. No no no. This is wrong, mistaken thinking.

A minimum standard of operations and attention to detail must be adhered to for high consequence / life critical endeavors and that behavior (culture?) must be enforced at all levels throughout the operation.

Ignore this heuristic at your peril - as either a consumer of these services or a provider who must demand high performance from your workforce.

Remember: flight attendants have (rarely exercised) critical health and life safety responsibilities. What messages do they internalize if this is the fourth flight in a row the coffee maker has been cracked and out of order ?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by franktankbank »

baq wrote: post #415
basisword wrote: post #366

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This guy did: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3v6drp96zo

holy shit. relatively unscathed at that. I retract my statement obviously. he must've been thrown out at just the right angle to not hit too much along the way...

B.S. how do you walk away from that? This is some frankly humiliating reporting by BBC

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

LostMyLogin wrote: post #294
nindalf wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro tip from an absolute rando: don’t bother with any source of breaking news. Read a weekly paper that summarises the important stuff. If something is truly pressing, you’ll hear about it from friends or coworkers.

Suggestions for some sources to read? I know the Economist, anything else others would recommend?

Tangle

https://www.readtangle.com/

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by rurban »

CPLX wrote: post #209
SecretDreams wrote: post #110

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There's footage after takeoff of it descending with the air ram deployed, no engine power, gears down, and flaps up. TBD on the cause, but loss of engines for some reason seems to be the case. I do agree that a lot of info comes out first week that isn't all right. I'm just reciting what's been shown in videos.

Do you have a link to that footage? I've seen speculation on this from very blurry video but nothing like proof. On the professional pilot forums the consensus guess is inadvertent flap retraction, instead of gear retraction, leading to inability to climb.

Or birds hitting both engines. But that must have been a big flock then

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by chias »

whitegladis wrote: post #282
msravi wrote: post #255

Apparently, there's a survivor. https://x.com/sidhant/status/1933160167816007842

https://imgur.com/a/ni11fhQ

They redact some part of the text on the ticket, but leave the scancode unredacted, which contains all of this text and more :P

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by [deleted] »

timr wrote: post #401
lxgr wrote: post #271

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If nobody followed the news or social media, there wouldn’t have been runs on toilet paper to begin with, as there never was a shortage to begin with and it was all just mass hysteria.

Yeah, the deep irony of the GP comment is that, had all of these supposedly knowledgable people just read the original report from the WHO (~early 2020), they'd have realized many things about the virus (such as the extremely skewed age distribution of the seriously ill) that would have greatly mitigated the overall panic. It literally took years for the chattering class in medicine to understand basic information th…

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Post by roywiggins »

dogleash wrote: post #336
roywiggins wrote: post #262

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Unfortunately for everyone's brains, this turned out to basically not be true with COVID- only real news fans (or people with expertise in the relevant science, but there are way less of those) were remotely aware that offices probably weren't going to be closed for only two weeks[0]. If you followed the news closely you stocked up on toilet paper when there were runs on it in Hong Kong, before there were runs on it…

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By "exception that proves the rule" I meant that paying too much attention to the news is basically maladaptive, until it occasionally isn't.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by Arch-TK »

chinathrow wrote: post #297
Arch-TK wrote: post #64

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The engines power the hydraulic actuators in an aircraft an aircraft of that size cannot be trivially controlled without that hydraulic system. The APU should have been started to provide backup power in the case of engine failure but during take-off there is already very little time to do anything and it's possible that the sudden workload overloaded both the pilot and copilot or some other human factors were involv…

There is a video circulating that the air con was off on the previous flight - that might indicate why the APU was off for the crash flight as well.

Air conditioning is powered by bleed air from the engines (or the APU or a ground source). The APU wouldn't be running during any normal flight, it's normally only ever used on the ground when the engines are off and there's no external power source.

So I am not sure what you are trying to say here, sorry.

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