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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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11A was next to the emergency exit. There was a comment on Reddit suggesting he actually bailed just before impact.

That doesn't make sense. 100+mph into terrain is going to go way worse for you out of a seat than in it.

Not if you ride the door!

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Unfortunately for everyone's brains, this turned out to basically not be true with COVID- only real news fans (or people with expertise in the relevant science, but there are way less of those) were remotely aware that offices probably weren't going to be closed for only two weeks[0]. If you followed the news closely you stocked up on toilet paper when there were runs on it in Hong Kong, before there were runs on it…

If nobody followed the news or social media, there wouldn’t have been runs on toilet paper to begin with, as there never was a shortage to begin with and it was all just mass hysteria.

Unfortunately, we do not live in the best of all possible worlds. One must plan for both the actual threat and the response to the perceived threat.

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Suggestions for some sources to read? I know the Economist, anything else others would recommend?

Le Monde Diplomatique https://mondediplo.com/ Available in many languages

Any background on funding sources/ongoing sources of revenue/ownership?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Baffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but…

> gear out That is normal and standard procedure if you're having issues lifting the plane, because retracting the gear means _increasing_ drag for a crucial 10/15 seconds as the doors open and thus slowing the plane further. > but no flaps and no control inputs visible Standard Dreamliner operating procedure, you take off at flaps 10 or 5, they are barely visible from the outside, see many random videos of 787s take…

Very much so. Gear retraction should only happen if (generalizing here) you've established a "positive rate of climb".

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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A Boeing Whistleblower engineer had warned of premature failure of this Boeing 787 Dreamliner and had asked US congress to bring down every single plane of this model type 1 year ago.

He died of “suicide” suspiciously right after. I hope Boeing gets investigated for failure after failure after failure, and crashes it has caused recently.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Totally agreed. I stopped reading/watching/listening to the news about 2 years ago and I am blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world. I read hacker news every once in a while and even comment on some of the stories shown here but I select very strictly the topics I interact with. News organizations these days are all pushing an agenda. Whether it is pro [insert-topic-of-choice-here] or against [insert-topi…

The concept of unbiased news is a very recent invention. Before that all news was partisan.

I understand but in the past you probably did not have much of a choice. You read the newspaper your parents read or you listened to the same radio programs and watch the same TV channels so the bias was not necessarily apparent.

Nowadays, we know exactly which outlets are leaning right or left, there is clearly no doubt about.

Furthermore, I would argue that the news outlets squandered the last bit of credibility they had during the COVID period when they silenced views that were not deemed acceptable at the time.

Finally a lot of news outlets are in some parts funded by the very same governments that they are supposed to be reporting on and keep in check. How can you do your job properly without any bias if the person you are about to write about/criticize is the one who signs your paycheck?

The answer is that you don't.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Baffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but…

> gear out That is normal and standard procedure if you're having issues lifting the plane, because retracting the gear means _increasing_ drag for a crucial 10/15 seconds as the doors open and thus slowing the plane further. > but no flaps and no control inputs visible Standard Dreamliner operating procedure, you take off at flaps 10 or 5, they are barely visible from the outside, see many random videos of 787s take…

> That is normal and standard procedure if you're having issues lifting the plane, because retracting the gear means _increasing_ drag for a crucial 10/15 seconds as the doors open and thus slowing the plane further.

Oh fascinating! I would not have considered that but it totally makes sense.

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Flightradar24 reports that this occurred immediately after takeoff: Initial ADS-B data from flight #AI171 shows that the aircraft reached a maximum barometric altitude of 625 feet (airport altitude is about 200 feet) and then it started to descend with an vertical speed of -475 feet per minute. https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1933091913567285366?t=MhY... This also means that the flight was fully fueled and it's sa…

There was one Survivor at least!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india...

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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An intersection takeoff is a takeoff where you do not use the full length of the runway. When you are a large aeroplane with a full load, reaching the necessary takeoff speeds required to rotate (pull up and begin lifting from the ground) can take longer than normal, at which point the climb speed will also be reduced if not properly compensated for (e.g. you miscalculate something and set the wrong elevator trim/tak…

Why is it a thing? Everything else in aviation seems to have good amounts of checks, balances and buffers. It feels the same to me as skimping a couple percent on fuel or doing less frequent maintenance. Both also reduce turnaround time.

Depends on the circumstances. Probably not the case with a jet like a 787, but sometimes ATC will allow small planes to 'cut the line' with an intersection takeoff.

This runway was over 2 miles long. If you are in a smaller commuter prop plane or small jet, you don't need half that space for the takeoff. You call up ATC and they give you the option of taking off at an intersection now, or being #15 in line behind the heavies, its totally fine to do that if you are within the operating margins of the aircraft. The pilots have already done the math to know exactly how long of a runway they need for the worst case scenario (rejected takeoff just below V1), so if they know that they need 5k feet worst case scenario, and are offered an intersection takeoff with 7k feet of an 11k foot runway, there is already pretty big margin built in.

The thing to remember is that the aviation community and manufacturers have decided that once a jet is past a certain speed, you are committed to taking off and climbing out no matter what is going on. There is no circumstance where airliners will go beyond that speed and then try to reject the takeoff, and land back on that same runway.

As far as fuel, you might be distressed to know that you rarely fly with full tanks. They typically fly with the amount of fuel their route uses for the load they have + a margin for diversion. This is both a cost savings measure, as well as an operational concern (for example at Denver during a hot summer day, a lot of planes can't be loaded to maximum weight and still be able to do a rejected takeoff)

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