US ambassador to Israel:US no longer pursuing goal independent Palestinian state

Post by chiefalchemist » Thu, Jun 12, 2025, 10:53 AM UTC

nailer wrote: post #11

chiefalchemist wrote: post #6

Destabilization (e.g., military wars, trade wars, immigration wars, etc.) favors the strongest / wealthiest. Such chaos favors the status quo. The USA has no interest in peace in the Middle East.

The US just established the Abraham accords, with a large amount of majority Arab countries recognising Israel right before Hamas attacked. There’s a theory the attacks had a larger political goal which was to stop this widespread support for Jews living in their homeland.

Post by runarberg » Thu, Jun 12, 2025, 2:33 PM UTC

tguvot wrote: post #48

runarberg wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I misspoke in my posting. I was gonna say zones which exclude Palestinians, i.e. the city is now segregated as a result of the Israeli occupation and illegal annexation of the city. The segregation of 1948 was a direct result of Israels unilateral declaration of independence. So I think we can say that the city was unsegregated from the fourth century, throughout the Arab and the Ottoman conquest, all the way…

Segregation of city in 1948 was direct result of Jordanian aggression, occupation, ethnic cleansing and annexation of east Jerusalem and west bank. But in 1967 Israel put an end to segregation of Jerusalem.

Post by nailer » Thu, Jun 12, 2025, 4:23 PM UTC

runarberg wrote: post #52

nailer wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israeli Arabs and Druze are allowed into Jerusalem. It’s just not people from a specific territory with the history of causing violence towards Israelis.

Not everywhere: Ramat Eshkol was established as a Jewish neighborhood soon after the 1967 occupation. It is one of 9 inner settlements in East Jerusalem where Palestinians are not allowed. These “just not people from a specific territory” are Palestinians who are Christian or Muslim, because of their ethnicity, regardless of criminal history. This is segregation.

Post by ASalazarMX » Thu, Jun 12, 2025, 4:57 PM UTC

science4sail wrote: post #54

austin-cheney wrote: post #4

I honestly do not think a geographically separated Palestinian state would work exactly for the same reasons it did not work out for east Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh. Clearly one of two things will ultimately occur: 1. A right wing Israeli government will eject non-citizen Arabs from the land either by settlement, starvation, or ejection. Then Israel will annex that land. This can only occur because everyone el…

> This is easier than it sounds from a military perspective because Israel is small and simple to isolate. Does that sort of thing even work against nuclear powers? You could certainly isolate them like North Korea, but no country would be willing to invade for fear of seeing a mushroom cloud over their capital.

Post by jfengel » Thu, Jun 12, 2025, 9:14 PM UTC

austin-cheney wrote: post #4

I honestly do not think a geographically separated Palestinian state would work exactly for the same reasons it did not work out for east Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh. Clearly one of two things will ultimately occur: 1. A right wing Israeli government will eject non-citizen Arabs from the land either by settlement, starvation, or ejection. Then Israel will annex that land. This can only occur because everyone el…