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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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You ain’t walking away from a fully fueled aircraft crashing unfortunately…

Isn't it possible to eject the fuel / fuel tank if crash is imminent?

Sure, if you don't want your wings anymore. The wings are the primary fuel tanks. You can drain the fuel out during flight but the process can take hours.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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How does sitting in a plane more than average give you more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators?

Pilots, aircraft engineers, and safety regulators also sit in aircraft. The phrase "line kilometres" might indicate a smidgeon of aviation industry adjacency to some. EDIT: Above and below comments appear to be low grade random sniping in bad faith. There's a failure to address content and specifics and a straw assertion about "more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators", a claim that was never mad…

If you claim to be an aircraft engineer, professional pilot, or safety regulator - say so.

Everyone in the formula 1 subreddit uses jargon, none of them are F1 drivers.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Good point. We should be discussing eight-engine planes.

We should be discussing no-engine planes, since they are obviously safer in such situations.

Yes, why would we put those polluting and noisy engines on the plane?

The passengers could just take turns going out and pushing.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I guess it’s kind of surprising in a relatively new plane, but I encounter non functional entertainment systems relatively often. They’re not treated like the safety critical systems by any airline

I thought the same but he implies that the screens were not the only tech not working (AC, seats damaged). It is quite an intuition to decide to leave a plane in such a moment. He just escaped death and is now aggressively attacked for saying something potentially relevant.

India is a large country, so a plane travelling a route like Delhi→Ahmedabad→London isn't unusual, with passengers able to board and disembark in Ahmedabad.

(There may also be security rules like requiring continuing passengers to disembark with their hand luggage before reboarding. I don't know, it's 15+ years since I took a flight like this.)

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Why is it a thing? Everything else in aviation seems to have good amounts of checks, balances and buffers. It feels the same to me as skimping a couple percent on fuel or doing less frequent maintenance. Both also reduce turnaround time.

Good question. False sense of routine, experience? Definitely a pet peeve. Was flying as a passenger on a really small airline (8 seater plane, Green Air) out of San Jose in Costa Rica. We got cleared for takeoff ahead of a United 737, at most 500 feet into the humongous runway for that plane. Yet the pilots still put in the 2 minute effort to taxi back to the beginning of the runway, even though they could have easi…

If something large had just taken off ahead of you, it was probably not safe to go anyway. Wake turbulence can kill you. If you need to wait 2 minutes, why not back taxi? It'll feel like doing something vs nothing and you get the extra extra runway.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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You ain’t walking away from a fully fueled aircraft crashing unfortunately…

Isn't it possible to eject the fuel / fuel tank if crash is imminent?

No.

Some aircraft allow fuel dumps but it is a slow process and done at higher elevation relative to the ground.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Why would a flock of birds large enough to be ingested by both engines of a two-engined plane not also be large enough to be ingested by all four engines of a four-engined plane?

Good point. We should be discussing eight-engine planes.

¿Por qué no los ocho?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I don't think there's ever been a double-bird-strike incident, though. And what dual engine failures I can think of are due to failure of a shared system (e.g. fuel exhaustion, c.f. Gimli Glider). [Edit: yeah, yeah, forgot the Tom Hanks movie, sue me. I do wish folks would respond to the much more important point below, which isn't invalidated by a single data point though.] Constructing solutions for multiple-mode f…

> I don't think there's ever been a double-bird-strike incident, though. What? It happens multiple times a year. They made a movie about a famous incident (US Airways Flight 1549). There's even events with four engine strike (Eastern Air Lines Flight 375).

While the counterexample is a real gaff on my part, it's 100% Absolutely Not True that there are "multiple" airliner total thrust failures every year.
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