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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by RandomBacon »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #159
Macha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it’s kind of surprising in a relatively new plane, but I encounter non functional entertainment systems relatively often. They’re not treated like the safety critical systems by any airline

I thought the same but he implies that the screens were not the only tech not working (AC, seats damaged). It is quite an intuition to decide to leave a plane in such a moment. He just escaped death and is now aggressively attacked for saying something potentially relevant.

It reads to me as if he was on the flight before the doomed flight.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by sofixa »

apples_oranges wrote: post #148
bartread wrote: post #73

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Yeah, I think I might wait for the MentourPilot take on this one. I can't see any benefit in speculating. Horrifying that it came down in a residential area with almost all its fuel still on board though. The aftermath is beyond belief.

I know it's not his fault, hate the player not the game, but he will make what off this crash (and his analysis ofc)? $10k? I remember long ago he said he would not report on crashes but that's what people want so no blame..

Most of his videos are on crashes. He has said he won't speculate on active investigations, but has already done videos on what is known, and preliminary reports.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by VladVladikoff »

ChrisGreenHeur wrote: post #187
blitzar wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro tip from a lifelong life enthusiast: if its breaking news, wait one week - first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive. Flick through last weeks newspaper if you need reassurance.

It's also possible to just not read news altogether.

Best decision I’ve ever made. It’s honestly so exhausting reading news regularly.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by sofixa »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #164
ikekkdcjkfke wrote: post #146

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Well, loss of engine power and gliding to a stop is not that a far fetched case. Why is there not a fuel dump button to prevent a whole trips worth of fuel going up in flames?

because painting an entire neighborhood in flammable fluid isn't safe... if it doesn't catch fire it'll corrode everything it touches. most planes can't dump fuel anymore. if it's a serious enough emergency you land overweight. If it's not then you fly long enough to burn it off and land below max landing weight.

> most planes can't dump fuel anymore. if it's a serious enough emergency you land overweight.

When fuel is dumped, it's at high altitude where it just evaporates.

Short haul jets can't do it, but their max takeoff weight is around their max landing weight, so it's fine. For long haul, it's not the same.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by apples_oranges »

sofixa wrote: post #192
apples_oranges wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's not his fault, hate the player not the game, but he will make what off this crash (and his analysis ofc)? $10k? I remember long ago he said he would not report on crashes but that's what people want so no blame..

Most of his videos are on crashes. He has said he won't speculate on active investigations, but has already done videos on what is known, and preliminary reports.

No, pretty sure long long ago before he was big, he said he won't do crashes period. But doesn't matter, and he can change his mind as he pleases.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by shivam543 »

baq wrote: post #20
greybox wrote: post #10

Some news outlets are indicating that there are some survivors: https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/air-india-dreamliner-cras... > Several injured passengers have been evacuated from the scene and transported to local hospitals. Edit: The BBC is reporting local police as saying: "There appears to be no survivors" https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t?post=asset%3A8731...

You ain’t walking away from a fully fueled aircraft crashing unfortunately…

Isn't it possible to eject the fuel / fuel tank if crash is imminent?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by p3rls »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by [deleted] »

defrost wrote: post #183
Symbiote wrote: post #156

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How does sitting in a plane more than average give you more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators?

Pilots, aircraft engineers, and safety regulators also sit in aircraft. The phrase "line kilometres" might indicate a smidgeon of aviation industry adjacency to some. EDIT: Above and below comments appear to be low grade random sniping in bad faith. There's a failure to address content and specifics and a straw assertion about "more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators", a claim that was never mad…

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by quantumfissure »

arccy wrote: post #174
quantumfissure wrote: post #114

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And there were 7 in one year during 2018 and 2019. Looking through the chart you linked, averages around 3 per year. Considering how many planes are currently in the sky at this very moment, this is a wildly useless statistic used to cause fear and panic.

We're on 4, and only halfway through the year. We're on track to exceed 7.

4 in the last year (365 days), not calendar year.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by consumer451 »

Arch-TK wrote: post #149
consumer451 wrote: post #129

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You can hear what sounds a lot like the very distinct sound of the RAT having been deployed in one of the videos. There is also no main turbine sound. This really seems like dual engine failure, for whatever reason. https://old.reddit.com/r/ahmedabad/comments/1l9i1ga/om_shant... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_air_turbine

I saw you mentioning this but the RAT on the 787 sticks out of the bottom and should have been visible at around :04 seconds into that video when the aircraft silhouette is visible clearly against the background. Although it's possible I am just missing from the video. You are right that the sound is quite distinct and can be clearly heard in the video.

The RAT is surprising tiny on the 787, and this is a phone video of a monitor, then run through Reddit compression. I am of course not 100% sure about any of this.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ95qKj...

edit: here you might possibly see it on the right, a very tiny blurry thing

https://imgur.com/a/CElWKzQ

source: https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1l9hqzp/air_india...

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