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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Why would a flock of birds large enough to be ingested by both engines of a two-engined plane not also be large enough to be ingested by all four engines of a four-engined plane?

Good point. We should be discussing eight-engine planes.

We should be discussing no-engine planes, since they are obviously safer in such situations.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle bac…

But does that rule apply during liftoff or only when it's in-flight? Based on the map it probably never got that much altitude, as it barely traveled 2*length_of_runway, and that's including the runway itself.

The full length was used https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/live/air-india-boeing-787...

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

There's footage after takeoff of it descending with the air ram deployed, no engine power, gears down, and flaps up. TBD on the cause, but loss of engines for some reason seems to be the case. I do agree that a lot of info comes out first week that isn't all right. I'm just reciting what's been shown in videos.

Do you have a source for this footage or are you referring to the video everyone is recirculating?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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>Why don’t all four tires on a car blow out at the same time?

They do if you drive over a stinger (or perhaps a sufficiently large number of nails or other sharp objects).

They also do if you go around the car with a knife and you stab them.

But it is somehow implied that the context of the comment is normal driving conditions.

Perhaps that comment could be reworded like:

>When driving on a highway, while not being pursued by the police, on planet Earth, with a road temperature below 200C, and not driving behind a van transporting nails with an open door that's dropping them on the road, why don’t all four tires on a car blow out at the same time?

That way people could get a better sense of what it is about.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Isn't English quite prevalent in India?

Hindi and English are considered the two main languages in India. (Officially, it's a lot more complicated than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_with_official_recogn...). So yeah, this comment is misinformed.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Yes. Unfortunately this year alone will give him quite a backlog. Every month there's been a couple of disasters or near disasters and there's no apparent connection between any of them.

I haven't by any means been keeping count but it does feel like there have been a lot more incidents that usual this year, and certainly a lot more fatalities. What I can't work out whether that's recency bias, or because I've been watching a lot of MentourPilot with our daughters so I'm simply more attuned to this kind of news, or if there really are more of them. I certainly don't know if the rate of incidents per…

No, it's not worse. If you look through the list of deadly plane accidents, the last year has been average (4 vs. 3 avg).

Since the deadly DCA collision in January, there are things making the news now that would never have in the past, so it seems like it's worse. Especially if the plane has "Boeing" written on the side. For example, hitting animals, tire blowouts, or ground equipment bumping into planes, which grounds them for inspection. When I worked for a major airline, those things are all actually pretty common and happen everywhere, all the time.

It's just a method used to stoke fear and feed clicks.

People find the most minute thing to complain about. Recently, there was an article about the antiquated FAA system using floppies. While the system is old and showing it's cracks, saying it uses floppies just makes it sound worse then it is. As of 2020, our mx crew were still plugging a Windows 98 laptop with DOS into Embraers and Bombardier Dash8s, and used floppies in Boeings (no Airbus or ATRs in our fleet for comparison).

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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It's baseless speculation by someone who doesn't have any relevant expertise, based purely on conjecture not any facts around the accident. It's _exactly_ the kind of comment that deserves to be downvoted here.

The guy's just asking if four engines instead of two would have made a difference? It's curiosity, it's learning, it's looking for an explanation. That's exactly the kind of comment that deserves to be here. >[...] who doesn't have any relevant expertise, Is that a requirement to comment on this thread? Do you fulfill that requirement you brought in?

That is entirely where I'm coming from - plane designs from the past had longer wingspans and supported 4 engines. Engines have gotten more efficient and powerful so cross-ocean routes don't need 4 engines anymore.

So I was wondering what if current plane designs had 4 smaller but equally as efficient engines instead of 2. The vast majority of airplane accidents happen at takeoff or landings, if some of those can be avoided by having 4 engines for commercial aircraft, its a worthwhile idea to explore.

Also I would venture that 99% of comments on public forums like this are from people without expertise. My expertise in this space is a curiosity about planes for a few decades, taking some actual flying lessons, and being generally interested in aviation to go to airshows, watch youtube content from pilots, etc. I probably have about the same aviation knowledge as an average HN person.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Do you have relevant expertise in this topic?

On the topic of dudes online speculating wildly? Yes, I've been on this website quite a long time, unfortunately.

>On the topic of dudes online speculating wildly?

Is that the topic of this thread?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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when will the chinese enter that market? super cheap planes for everyone!

Temu is in a great position to enter this market. Being deeply connected to the supplier networks, they could easily put together a plane and become a competitor to Boeing.
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