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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by baq »

energy123 wrote: post #171
nabla9 wrote: post #163

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Well said. Google is best in pure AI research, both quality and volume. They have sucked at productization for years. Not not just AI but other products as well. Real mystery.

I don't understand why they can't just make it fast and go through the bug reports from a year ago and fix them. Is it that hard to build a box for users to type text into without it lagging for 5 seconds or throwing a bunch of errors?

If it doesn’t make sense, it makes sense. Nobody will get their promo by ‘fixing bugs’.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by juros »

pembrook wrote: post #436
leetrout wrote: post #243

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I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…

Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before. Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts. Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to c…

Personally I found that rejecting disposable/temporary emails and flagging requests behind VPNs filtered out 99% of abuse on my sites.

No need to ask for a phone or card -- or worse, biometric data! -- which also removes friction.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by _joel »

gloosx wrote: post #489
_joel wrote: post #396

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No, that's not how it works.

So your saying it's not just feeding your video to the AI model and blindly trusting it's outcome? Any evidence how it works then?

You can't just hold up a 2d object (passport) and wave it about to try and trick it. There are heuristics at work.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by godelski »

azinman2 wrote: post #499
godelski wrote: post #496

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> To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection. Phones are notorious for spam... Seriously. How can the most prolific means of spam be used to prevent fraud and abuse? (Okay, maybe email is a little more prolific?) Like have you never received a spam call or text? Obviously fraudsters and abusers know how to exploit those systems... it can't be more obvious...

It costs money to get a phone number. It’s about friction, not elimination. What would you do instead?

I'm saying it clearly isn't enough friction. It's not worth the privacy cost. Which let's be real, those numbers are then commonly sold to those same spammers, even if indirectly.

You are also forgetting it is easy to mask, obscure, and hijack numbers. So it doesn't cost money per number, many times they can use their own number.

There isn't a universal solution, which is the main problem here. Sometimes numbers make sense, most of the time not.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by gloosx »

_joel wrote: post #503
gloosx wrote: post #489

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So your saying it's not just feeding your video to the AI model and blindly trusting it's outcome? Any evidence how it works then?

You can't just hold up a 2d object (passport) and wave it about to try and trick it. There are heuristics at work.

For a regular camera - all objects are 2d, it is not equipped with tools to capture depth. What heuristics are you talking about? There is ML model at work which tries to tell whether the object is legit, but it cannot have any real sense of what is on the image: it just relies on a statistically plausible outcome when being fed pixels from your camera screen, which means you definitely can trick it.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by Hetzner_OL »

wqaatwt wrote: post #335
cess11 wrote: post #333

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I suspect their data collection might not be legal in the EU. https://withpersona.com/legal/privacy-policy To me it looks like an extremely aggressive data pump.

There are stories about e.g. Hetzner requiring all sorts of data from people who want to open/verify accounts so perhaps not. Might just be an anti “money laundering” thing. Especially if the credit card company ends up refunding everything..

Hi there, During our KYC process, we do sometimes ask customers to submit additional information, including IDs, so that we can verify their identity. However, we follow the General Data Protection Regulation in the EU, amongst other regulations. So we only keep that data for the account verification process. We also have a data protection officer and team who can answer questions potential customers have about data protection measures that we take. Their contact information is here: https://www.hetzner.com/legal/privacy-policy/ --Katie, Hetzner Online

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by pixxel »

pembrook wrote: post #436
leetrout wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…

Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before. Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts. Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to c…

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by azinman2 »

godelski wrote: post #504
azinman2 wrote: post #499

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It costs money to get a phone number. It’s about friction, not elimination. What would you do instead?

I'm saying it clearly isn't enough friction. It's not worth the privacy cost. Which let's be real, those numbers are then commonly sold to those same spammers, even if indirectly. You are also forgetting it is easy to mask, obscure, and hijack numbers. So it doesn't cost money per number, many times they can use their own number. There isn't a universal solution, which is the main problem here. Sometimes numbers make…

Ok so you don’t like phone numbers. I get it.

But you’re OpenAI. You need to do _something_. What do you do?

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jazzyjackson »

azinman2 wrote: post #508
godelski wrote: post #504

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I'm saying it clearly isn't enough friction. It's not worth the privacy cost. Which let's be real, those numbers are then commonly sold to those same spammers, even if indirectly. You are also forgetting it is easy to mask, obscure, and hijack numbers. So it doesn't cost money per number, many times they can use their own number. There isn't a universal solution, which is the main problem here. Sometimes numbers make…

Ok so you don’t like phone numbers. I get it. But you’re OpenAI. You need to do _something_. What do you do?

What are they trying to prevent again? Requiring a phone number is one kind of friction for free services like twitter, but this is a service where a user registers a credit card and authorizes charges, they have the legal name of the person paying for a service, what's the phone number for? It's not like OpenAI gives me their phone number so I can call when I'm having an issue.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by 93po »

malfist wrote: post #416
93po wrote: post #415

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the core tech and premise doesnt collect biometric data, but biometric data is collected for training purposes with consent and compensation. There is endless misinformation (willfully and ignorantly) around worldcoin but it is not, at its core, a biometric collection company

Collecting biometrics for training purposes is still collecting biometrics.

the original claim was "it collects biometrics to identify people" and that's just factually wrong. worldcoin in general is not about identification, in fact it's specifically designed to not identify people. its only purpose is to verify "does this private key have an association to any hash that was created after we scanned a unique set of human retinas". it cant even tell you which retinas it's associated with - the data simply doesn't exist
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