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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Thank you for reminding me why I’ll never touch these LLM services.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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o3 is a model, and reasoning effort (high/medium/low) is a parameter that goes into the model. o3 pro is a different thing - it’s not just o3 with maximum remaining effort.

Why's it called o3 then if it's a different thing? There's already a rather extreme amount of confusion with the model names and it's not clear _at all_ which model would be "the best" in terms of response quality. Here's the current state with version numbers as far as I can piece it together (using my best guess at naming of each component of the version identifier. Might be totally wrong tho): 1) prefix (optional)…

o3 and o3-pro aren't the same thing still makes sense though.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I also am using OpenRouter because OpenAI isn't a great fit for me. I also stopped using OpenAI because they expire your API credits even if you don't use them. Yeah, it's only $10, but I'm not spending another dime with them.

then you shouldn’t use OpenRouter. ToS: 4.2 Credit Expiration; Auto Recharge OpenRouter reserves the right to expire unused credits three hundred sixty-five (365) days after purchase

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I was excited about trying o3 for my apps but I'm not doing this validation.. thanks for the heads up.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Doesn’t Sam Altman own a crypto currency company [1] that specifically collects biometric data to identify people? Seems familiar… [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/cryptocurrency/what...

the core tech and premise doesnt collect biometric data, but biometric data is collected for training purposes with consent and compensation. There is endless misinformation (willfully and ignorantly) around worldcoin but it is not, at its core, a biometric collection company

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Doesn’t Sam Altman own a crypto currency company [1] that specifically collects biometric data to identify people? Seems familiar… [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/cryptocurrency/what...

the core tech and premise doesnt collect biometric data, but biometric data is collected for training purposes with consent and compensation. There is endless misinformation (willfully and ignorantly) around worldcoin but it is not, at its core, a biometric collection company

Collecting biometrics for training purposes is still collecting biometrics.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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There's a very large gulf between "what makes sense to Google" and "what makes sense to Human Beings". I have so many rants about Google's poor treatment of "customers" that they feel like Oracle to me now. Like every time I use them, I'm really just falling prey to my own misguided idea that this time I won't get screwed over.

The users aren't random "human beings" in this case. They are professional software developers who are expected to understand the basics. Deploying that model into production shows a lack of basic competence. It is clearly marked "preview" and is for test only.

That may be true, but it doesn't make the customer's claims not true. What Google did was counter-intuitive. That's a fact. Pointing at some fine print and saying "uhh actually, technically it's your stupid human brain is the problem, not us! we technically are allowed to do anything we want, just look at the fine print!!" does not make things better. We are human beings; we are flawed. That much should be obvious to any human organization. If you don't know how to make things that don't piss off human beings, the problem isn't with the humans.

If the "preview release" you were using was v0.3, and suddenly it started being v0.6 without warning, that would be insane. The only point of providing a version number is to give people an indicator of consistency. The datestamp is a version number. If they didn't want us to expect consistency, they should not have given it a version number. That's the whole point of rolling release branches, they have no version. You don't have "v2.0" of a rolling release, you just have "latest". They fucked up by giving it a datestamp.

This is an extremely old and well-known problem with software interfaces. Either you version it or you don't. If you do version it, and change it, you change the version, and give people dependent on the old version some time to upgrade. Otherwise it breaks things, and that pisses people off. The alternative is not versioning it, which is a signal that there is no consistency to be expected. Any decent software developer should have known all this.

And while I'm at it: what's with the name flip-flopping? In 2014, GCP issued a PR release explaining It was no longer using "Preview", but "Alpha" and "Beta" (https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2014/10/new-release-pha...). But the link you showed earlier says "Alpha" and "Beta" are now deprecated. But no PR release? I guess that's our bad for not constantly reading the fine print and expecting it to revert back to something from 11 years ago.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Google has been catching up. Funny how fast this space is evolving. Just a few months ago, it was all about DeepSeek.

If the competition boils down to who has access to the largest amount of high quality data, it's hard to see how anyone but Google could win in the end: through Google Books they have scans of tens of millions of books, and published books are the highest quality texts there are.

I've been learning vietnamese. Unfortunately, a lot of social media (reddit, fb, etc) has a new generation of language. The younger generation uses so much abbreviations and acronyms, ChatGPT and Google Translate can't keep up.

I think if you're goal is to have properly written langauge using older writing styles, then you're correct.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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There hasn't been a non-preview Gemini since...November? The previews are the same as everyone else's release cadance, "preview" is just a magic wand that meant the Launchcal (google's internal signoff tool, i.e. "wave will never happen again) needs less signoffs. Then it got to the point date-pinned models were getting swapped in, in the name of doing us a favor, and it's a...novel idea, we can both agree at the lea…

I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say. It's a preview model - for testing only, not for production. Really not that complicated.

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…

(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

Tangential: please do not use a phone number as a PK. Aside from the nightmare of normalizing them, there is zero guarantee that someone will keep the same number.
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