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How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

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Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#51

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On the other hand, some studies show that mildly depressed people have a more accurate model of the world. So what if you were right about your job initially, and the CBT is basically just gaslighting you into spinning things in a positive way?

Mildly is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. What does mildly depressed mean?

Functioning, presumably.

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#52

> That job turned out to be shoddy, ancient, flaky tech all the way down, with comfortable, long-tenured staff who didn’t know (and did NOT want to hear) how out of date their tech had become. Every time. I don't care about your stack; obviously I have taste and preferences but I'm a professional, I'll work with whatever, as long as it isn't Rails. (Because there is no good work in that world.) But it will not take m…

Rails is so good that all the issues become political until you get to stupid large scale.

Such an insightful comment and the most underestimated feature of Rails.

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, some studies show that mildly depressed people have a more accurate model of the world. So what if you were right about your job initially, and the CBT is basically just gaslighting you into spinning things in a positive way?

Assuming that is true, does a more negative way of viewing things actually benefit you (even if it would be slightly more "accurate")? If one has a choice (that means if there is no case of clinical depression): At least anecdotally a bit of optimism improves my life quality a lot and results in a higher productivity, proactive solution finding and a more pleasant work environment. Constantly looking at the negative…

It's not difficult to imagine a number of scenarios where that perspective could bite you in the ass.

If you have a false impression of a person's character because you've jedi mindtricked yourself into not thinking the worst of people, you might end up trusting an untrustworthy person.

If you are in a toxic work environment, and you convince yourself it's not so bad, you might end up staying in a situation that is actively harming you.

We are speaking in the abstract and I can't comment on anyone else's experience. But I personally find toxic positivity and the endless drive to be more productive much more dangerous than being too negative.

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#54
>> How long does it take to form an impression of a new job?

>> Zero. You should give it 0 time. You already know, and you’ve known for a long time;

Oh boy, how developers are clinging to the illusion this is still 2021.

How long till they interiorize that they are now immigrants crowding at a day laborer site, hoping some farmer with a truck will pick 10-20 of them for a round of picking strawberries.

So when you're penniless with no perspectives and the countryman picks you out of a crowd of hundreds hungry and desperate, you arrive at the strawberry farm and realize instantly: nah, this is not for me!

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#55
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A long time ago, I had a chat with a nurse executive who rose up the ranks. Her advice was to stick to a position until the butterflies settle (or approximately q 5 years). Nursing is known for lifers on single units, and personal growth doesn’t happen unless you are cognizant and strive for it.

I like this sentiment, yeah.

Honestly every job has huge up and down swings. I've been at my current place for about a decade, which seems like an outlier in this industry. Also roughly 1/3 of the people I started my career with (roughly 40 or so) are no longer even in the industry. Another 1/5 or so have transitioned to adjacent roles like project management, etc.

I make it a point to evaluate whether I want to stay where I'm at every six months and only leave if I want to leave two evaluations in a row.

I get the salary optimization done by the 2-year hoppers, but it bites you down the road as a senior engineer and onward because you've never had to live with the consequences of your engineering choices. Hanging around for longer teaches you that even the seemingly-best decision made at the time can seriously bite you years down the road.

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rails is so good that all the issues become political until you get to stupid large scale.

Such an insightful comment and the most underestimated feature of Rails.

It does cause serious problems if you ever start needing engineers, though, unless you're a better politician than people who imagine themselves skillful politicians almost ever are.

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#57
My job criteria has not been as profound.

Will it help me get my n+1 job? Will the technology I’m using look good on my resume? Will I just be a code monkey who pulls well defined stories off the board?

Does it pay me market rates?

Is the bullshit/pay ratio worth it?

Post 2020 the rules have changed for me.

Is it remote and is it a remote first culture?

Does it pay “enough” to take care of my short and long term goals?

And funny enough, I would rather get a daily anal probe with a cactus than ever work for any large company or BigTech (again).

These days, I don’t care if the company is a shit show. I do 40 hours a week and money appears in my account - that’s the deal. I don’t work for “passion”, “alignment” or the “mission”. I work for the paycheck.

I do like the company I work for now. It’s the best job I’ve had in 29 years across 10 jobs.

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#58

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Can you expand on why you avoid Rails? I'm legitimately curious! Edit: I see your other replies, nvm!

I found a correlation between Rails and lower salaries. Not sure why though. I was actively looking to move to Rails for a change of scenery, until I realised it comes with a tax.

I mean, if you want to tie your fortunes to one team and company forever, then sure, it can make sense.

I've had decades like that in my career, which began in the nineties. It would be nice to have another such decade; I don't enjoy always keeping one eye on the exit and my back to the wall, rather than being able to count on a given environment to stay stable enough long enough with enough upside to really repay my investment.

This doesn't feel to me like such a decade, though. Too much is changing too fast.

Re: How long it takes to know if a job is right for you or not

#60

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Such an insightful comment and the most underestimated feature of Rails.

It does cause serious problems if you ever start needing engineers, though, unless you're a better politician than people who imagine themselves skillful politicians almost ever are.

Oh no, where will you find people with some web fundamentals who are able to learn a crud framework.
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