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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by Reubachi »

csomar wrote: post #327
tedsanders wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, not what we’re doing. o3 is still o3 (no nerfing) and o3-pro is new and better than o3. If we were lying about this, it would be really easy to catch us - just run evals. (I work at OpenAI.)

I think the parent-parent poster has explained why we can't trust you (and work on OpenAI doesn't help they way you think it does). I didn't read the ToS, like everyone else, but my guess is that degrading model performance at peak times will be one of the things that can slip through. We are not suggesting you are running a different model but that you are quantizing it so that you can support more people. This can'…

I'm not totally sure how you at this point in your online presence associate someone stating their job as a "brag" and not what it really is, providing transparency/disclosure before stating their thoughts.

This is HN and not reddit.

"I didn't read the ToS, like everyone else, but my guess..."

Ah, there it is.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by yyhhsj0521 »

piskov wrote: post #189
bearjaws wrote: post #179

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Prevent Deepseek R2 being trained on it

If only there were people with multiple passports or, I don’t know, Kyrgyzstan. How exactly will passport check prevent any training? At most this will block API access to your average Ivan, not a state actor

It's most likely for regulation compliance, instead of a sincere attempt to block anyone from training on them.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by exceptione »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Welcome to tech dystopia.

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Building the next phase of a corporate totalitarian state, thank you for your cooperation.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jjani »

finebalance wrote: post #371
jjani wrote: post #297

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If by reasoning you mean showing CoT, Gemini and OA are the same in this regard - neither provides it, not through the UI nor through the API. The "summaries" both provide have zero value and should be treated as non-existent. Anthropic exposes reasoning, which has become a big reason to use them for reasoning tasks over the other two despite their pricing. Rather ironic when the other two have been pushing reasoning…

Google exposes their reasoning. You can use their new gemini python sdk to get thought traces.

Google does not expose their reasoning any more. They give "thought summaries" which provide effectively zero value. [1][2]

[1] https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/thinking#summaries [2] https://discuss.ai.google.dev/t/massive-regression-detailed-...

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by numlocked »

ddtaylor wrote: post #314
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I also am using OpenRouter because OpenAI isn't a great fit for me. I also stopped using OpenAI because they expire your API credits even if you don't use them. Yeah, it's only $10, but I'm not spending another dime with them.

Hi - I'm the COO of OpenRouter. In practice we don't expire the credits, but have to reserve the right to, or else we have a uncapped liability literally forever. Can't operate that way :) Everyone who issues credits on a platform has to have some way of expiring them. It's not a profit center for us, or part of our P&L; just a protection we have to have.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by pembrook »

leetrout wrote: post #243
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…

Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before.

Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts.

Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to create an account these days.

I'm sure this comment will get downvoted in favor of some other conspiratorial "because they're going to secretly sell my data!" tinfoil post (this is HN of course). But my explanation is the actual reason.

I would love if I could just use email to signup for free accounts everywhere still, but it's just too easily gamed at scale.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by MattDaEskimo »

refulgentis wrote: post #231
MattDaEskimo wrote: post #211

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What's with the dropped benchmark performance compared to the original o3 release? It was disappointing to not see o4-mini on it as well

What dropped benchmark performance?

o3 scores noticeably worse on benchmarks compared to its original announcement benchmarks

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by stavros »

olalonde wrote: post #406
gscott wrote: post #362

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China is training their AI models using ChatGPT. They want to stop or slow that down.

Why? It seems counterproductive given OpenAI's mission statement: "We are building safe and beneficial AGI, but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome."

Because OpenAI's actual mission statement is "money, and lots of it".

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

numlocked wrote: post #435
ddtaylor wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also am using OpenRouter because OpenAI isn't a great fit for me. I also stopped using OpenAI because they expire your API credits even if you don't use them. Yeah, it's only $10, but I'm not spending another dime with them.

Hi - I'm the COO of OpenRouter. In practice we don't expire the credits, but have to reserve the right to, or else we have a uncapped liability literally forever. Can't operate that way :) Everyone who issues credits on a platform has to have some way of expiring them. It's not a profit center for us, or part of our P&L; just a protection we have to have.

If you're worried about the unlimited liability, how about you refund the credits instead of expiring them?
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