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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by brookst »

hnaccount_rng wrote: post #339
azinman2 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

They don’t need to. It’s totally sufficient that they can correlate your chat history with your identity. That makes other identifiers more valuable, if they can extract your interests

It’s a good conspiracy theory, but of course it’s scoped to only ChatGPT users who are also developers and using specifically the o3 model via API. So if it is a conspiracy, it’s a fairly non-ambitious one.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by verisimi »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

> OK, so now, we've gone from "I guess I'll give OpenAI a few bucks for API access" to "I need to verify my organization" to "There's no way in hell I'm agreeing to provide biometric data to a 3rd party I've never heard of that's a 'partner' of the largest AI company and Worldcoin founder. How do I get my $20 back?"

This should be illegal. How many are going to do the same as you, but then think that the effort/time/hassle they would waste to try to get their money back would not be worth it? At which point you've effectively donated money to a corp that implements anti-consumer anti-patterns.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by verisimi »

5Qn8mNbc2FNCiVV wrote: post #278
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

This feels eerily similar to a post I've read a within the last month. Either I'm having a deja vu, it's a coincidence that the same exact story is mentioned or theres something else going on

It's a concerted attempt to de-anonymise the internet. Corporate entities are jostling for position as id authorities.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by cmenge »

hnaccount_rng wrote: post #339
azinman2 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

They don’t need to. It’s totally sufficient that they can correlate your chat history with your identity. That makes other identifiers more valuable, if they can extract your interests

The typical use case of an API is not that you personally use it. I have hundreds of clients all go through my API key, and in most cases they themselves are companies who have n clients.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by monster_truck »

Curious that the number of usages for plus users remained the same. I don't think they're actually doing anything material to lower the cost by a meaningful amount. It's just margin they've always had, and they cut it because magistral is pretty incredible for being completely free

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by olalonde »

gscott wrote: post #362
__float wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they're probably more concerned about fake accounts and people finding ways to get free stuff.

China is training their AI models using ChatGPT. They want to stop or slow that down.

Why? It seems counterproductive given OpenAI's mission statement: "We are building safe and beneficial AGI, but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome."

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

azinman2 wrote: post #332
jazzyjackson wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

> It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT.

I’m pretty sure you do. Claude too. The only chatbot company I’ve made an account with is Mistral specifically because a phone number was not a registration requirement.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by Bjorkbat »

beering wrote: post #263
Bjorkbat wrote: post #176

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Related, when o3 finally came out ARC-AGI updated their graph because it didn’t perform nearly as well as the version of o3 that “beat” the benchmark. https://arcprize.org/blog/analyzing-o3-with-arc-agi

The o3-preview test was with very expensive amounts of compute, right? I remember it was north of $10k so makes sense it did better

Point remains though, they crushed the benchmark using a specialized model that you’ll probably never have access to, whether personally or through a company.

They inflated expectations and then released to the public a model that underperforms

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by prmoustache »

azinman2 wrote: post #332
jazzyjackson wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

The fact they don't sell ads doesn't mean they are not in the business of selling users data to third parties.

Also Netflix wasn't initially selling ads and there you have after increasing the price of their plans drastically in the last few years the ad supported subscription is probably the #1 plans because most people aren't willing to shed 15 to 25usd/€ every month to watch content that is already littered with ads.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by KomoD »

azinman2 wrote: post #332
jazzyjackson wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

> It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT.

When I signed up I had to do exactly that.

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