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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by fakedang »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

As someone not in the US, I do a straight nope out whenever I see a Persona request. I advise everyone else to do the same. Afaik, it's used by LinkedIn and Doordash too.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jjani »

charliebwrites wrote: post #249
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Doesn’t Sam Altman own a crypto currency company [1] that specifically collects biometric data to identify people? Seems familiar… [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/cryptocurrency/what...

GP did mention this :)

> I've never heard of that's a 'partner' of the largest AI company and Worldcoin founder

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by 0x1ceb00da »

tedsanders wrote: post #162
sschueller wrote: post #132

Has anyone noticed that OpenAI has become "lazy"? When I ask questions now it will not give me a complete file or fix. Instead it tells me what I should do and I need to ask a second or third time to just do the thing I asked. I don't see this happening with for example deepseek. Is it possible they are saving on resources by having it answer that way?

Yeah, our models are sometimes too lazy. It’s not intentional, and future models will be less lazy. When I worked at Netflix I sometimes heard the same speculation about intentionally bad recommendations, which people theorized would lower streaming and increase profit margins. It made even less sense there as streaming costs are usually less than a penny. In reality, it’s just hard to make perfect products! (I work…

I think it's good. The model will probably make some mistake at first. Not doing the whole thing and just telling the user the direction it's going in gives us a chance to correct its mistakes.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jjani »

AstroBen wrote: post #241
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

KYC requirement + OpenAI preserving all logs in the same week?

OpenAI introduced this with the public availability of o3, so no.

It's also the only LLM provider which has this.

What OpenAI has that the others don't is SamA's insatiable thirst for everyone's biometric data.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by simonw »

asadotzler wrote: post #216
simonw wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"... as you make more your costs come down" I'd say dropping the price of o3 by 80% due to "engineers optimizing inferencing" is a strong sign that they're doing exactly that.

You trust their PR statements?

Seems more likely to me then them deciding to take a sizable loss on inference by dropping prices by 80% for no reason.

Optimizing serving isn't unlikely: all of the big AI vendors keep finding new efficiencies, it's been an ongoing trend over the past two years.

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Post by jjani »

artrockalter wrote: post #277
conradev wrote: post #236

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I was more excited by the process, like, there exists a model out there so powerful it requires KYC which, after using it, fair! It found a zero day

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Bit strange to see such new accounts already priming everyone to think this is acceptable and normal, which it isn't, hence OA having started doing this months ago and still not a single other provider has it, despite offering just as powerful models. It's not like Google and Anthropic have launched their own Worldcoin either.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jjani »

miki123211 wrote: post #281
jiggawatts wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in part "abuse prevention"[1] and in part marketing . Making customers feel like they're signing up to access state secrets makes the models seem more "special". Sama is well known to use these SV marketing tricks, like invite-only access, waiting lists, etc to psychologically manipulate users into thinking they're begging for entry to an exclusive club instead of just swiping a credit card to access an API.…

Gemini doesn't give you reasoning via API though, at least as far as I'm aware.

If by reasoning you mean showing CoT, Gemini and OA are the same in this regard - neither provides it, not through the UI nor through the API. The "summaries" both provide have zero value and should be treated as non-existent.

Anthropic exposes reasoning, which has become a big reason to use them for reasoning tasks over the other two despite their pricing. Rather ironic when the other two have been pushing reasoning much harder.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by johnb231 »

thegeomaster wrote: post #273
johnb231 wrote: post #266

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That is a preview / beta model with no expectation of stability. Google did nothing wrong there. No one should be using a preview model in production.

Hard disagree. Of course technically they didn't do anything explicitly against the public guidance (the checks and balances would never let them), but naming a model with a date very strongly implies immutability. It's the same logic of why UB in C/C++ isn't a license to do whatever the compiler wants. We're humans and we operate on implications, common-sense assumptions and trust.

The model is labelled as Preview. There are no guarantees of stability or availability for Preview models. Not intended for production workloads.

https://cloud.google.com/products?hl=en#product-launch-stage...

"At Preview, products or features are ready for testing by customers. Preview offerings are often publicly announced, but are not necessarily feature-complete, and no SLAs or technical support commitments are provided for these. Unless stated otherwise by Google, Preview offerings are intended for use in test environments only. The average Preview stage lasts about six months."

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jjani »

BeetleB wrote: post #212
piskov wrote: post #189

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If only there were people with multiple passports or, I don’t know, Kyrgyzstan. How exactly will passport check prevent any training? At most this will block API access to your average Ivan, not a state actor

Yeah, I just don't see myself using o3 when I have Gemini-2.5 Pro. I don't recall if Google Cloud verified my ID in the past, though. Still, no need to let yet another organization have my data if I'm not getting something better in return.

> I don't recall if Google Cloud verified my ID in the past, though

It generally does not. No idea if there are edge cases where it does, but that's definitely not the norm for the average user.

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