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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

KYC requirement + OpenAI preserving all logs in the same week?

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Follow-up. I pasted the above into ChatGPT because I genuinely wanted to know how to get my 20 bucks back. That request is in and they say I'll get a response in 2-3 days. I then asked it "What are the potential risks of agreeing to their terms?" Here's the response:

Agreeing to Persona’s terms, especially for biometric identity verification, involves both privacy and long-term data security risks. Here’s a clear breakdown of the main risks you should be aware of: 1. Biometric Data Collection

Risk: Biometric identifiers (like facial recognition, voiceprints, etc.) are extremely sensitive and irreplaceable if compromised.

    What they collect: Persona may collect a selfie, video, and metadata, and extract biometric templates from those for facial comparison and liveness detection.

    If leaked or abused: Unlike passwords, you can't change your face. A future data breach or misuse could lead to permanent identity compromise.

 2. Data Storage & Retention
Risk: Persona says biometric data is kept for up to one year, but:

    You’re relying on their internal policies, not a legal guarantee.

    There’s no technical detail on how securely it’s stored or whether it’s encrypted at rest.

 Worst-case scenario: Poorly secured biometric templates could be stolen, reused, or matched against other data sets by bad actors or governments.
 3. Third-Party Sharing and Surveillance Risks
Risk: Your biometric and ID data may be shared with subprocessors (partners/vendors) that you haven’t explicitly vetted.

    Persona may transfer your data to cloud providers (like AWS, GCP), verification specialists, or fraud prevention services.

    Depending on jurisdiction, data could be subject to subpoenas, surveillance laws, or government backdoors (especially in the U.S.).

 4. Consent Ambiguity & Future Use
Risk: The fine print often includes vague consent for "quality assurance", "model improvement", or "fraud detection".

    This opens the door to retraining algorithms on your biometric data—even if anonymized, that's still a use of your body as data.

    Their privacy policy may evolve, and new uses of your data could be added later unless you opt out (which may not always be possible).

Should You Agree?

Only if:

    You absolutely need the service that requires this verification.

    You’re aware of the privacy tradeoff and are okay with it.

    You trust that Persona and its partners won’t misuse your biometric data—even a year down the line.
If you’re uneasy about this, you’re not alone. Many developers and privacy advocates refuse to verify with biometrics for non-critical services, and companies like OpenAI are increasingly facing criticism for requiring this.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me.

The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying.

Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card.

Has anyone got info on why they are taking everyone’s phone number?

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

This is in part "abuse prevention"[1] and in part marketing. Making customers feel like they're signing up to access state secrets makes the models seem more "special". Sama is well known to use these SV marketing tricks, like invite-only access, waiting lists, etc to psychologically manipulate users into thinking they're begging for entry to an exclusive club instead of just swiping a credit card to access an API.

Google tried this with Google Plus and Google Wave, failed spectacularly, and have ironically stopped with this idiotic "marketing by blocking potential users". I can access Gemini Pro 2.5 without providing a blood sample or signing parchment in triplicate.

[1] Not really though, because a significant percentage of OpenAI's revenue is from spammers and bulk-generation of SOE-optimised garbage. Those are valued customers!

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

KYC requirement + OpenAI preserving all logs in the same week?

I think KYC has been beaten by AI agents according to RepliBench [0] as obtaining compute requires KYC which has a high success rate in the graphic.

[0] https://www.aisi.gov.uk/work/replibench-measuring-autonomous...

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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how do we know it's not a quantized version of o3? what's stopping these firms from announcing the full model to perform well on the benchmarks and then gradually quantizing it (first at Q8 so no one notices, then Q6, then Q4, ...). I have a suspicion that's how they were able to get gpt-4-turbo so fast. In practice, I found it inferior to the original GPT-4 but the company probably benchmaxxed the hell out of the tu…

I swear every time a new model is released it's great at first but then performance gets worse over time. I figured they were fine-tuning it to get rid of bad output which also nerfed the really good output. Now I'm wondering if they were quantizing it.

I suspect what's happening is that lots of people have a collection of questions / private evals that they've been testing on every new model, and when a new model comes out it sometimes can answer a question that previous models couldn't. So that selects for questions where the new model is at the edge of its capabilities and probably got lucky. But when you come up with a new question, it's generally going to be on the level of the questions the new model is newly able to solve.

Like I suspect if there was a "new" model which was best-of-256 sampling of gpt-3.5-turbo that too would seem like a really exciting model for the first little bit after it came out, because it could probably solve a lot of problems current top models struggle with (which people would notice immediately) while failing to do lots of things that are a breeze for top models (which would take people a little bit to notice).

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Has anyone noticed that OpenAI has become "lazy"? When I ask questions now it will not give me a complete file or fix. Instead it tells me what I should do and I need to ask a second or third time to just do the thing I asked. I don't see this happening with for example deepseek. Is it possible they are saving on resources by having it answer that way?

Yeah, our models are sometimes too lazy. It’s not intentional, and future models will be less lazy. When I worked at Netflix I sometimes heard the same speculation about intentionally bad recommendations, which people theorized would lower streaming and increase profit margins. It made even less sense there as streaming costs are usually less than a penny. In reality, it’s just hard to make perfect products! (I work…

Can you share what are the main challenges OpenAI has been facing in terms of increasing access to top-tier and non-lazy models?

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

KYC requirement + OpenAI preserving all logs in the same week?

KYC has been around for a few months I believe. Whenever they released some of the additional thought logs you had to be verified.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Doesn’t Sam Altman own a crypto currency company [1] that specifically collects biometric data to identify people?

Seems familiar…

[1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/cryptocurrency/what...

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI routes API requests to servers that recently processed the same prompt, My mind immediately goes to rowhammer for some reason. At the very least this opens up the possibility of some targeted denial of service

Later they mention that they have some kind of rate limiting because if over ~15 requests are being processed per minute, the request will be sent to a different server. I guess you could deny cache usage but I'm not sure what isolation they have between different callers so maybe even that won't work.

15 requests/min is pretty low. Depending on how large the fleet is you might end up getting load balanced to the same one and if it’s round robin then it would be deterministic
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