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Re: Android 16 is here

#181
Any improvements to battery life? I feel like my pixel 8 pro battery is dying a lot faster now.

I would like to trade it in for a pixel 9 pro xl, but it's kinda hard/impossible to do in Brazil.

I got a good deal from best buy but you need to have a US issued document to trade your phone in, bummer.

Any plans to ever sell it in Brazil?

Re: Android 16 is here

#182
post #37

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I decided to install the beta to get a more informed opinion. I think the UI looks better when you’re holding it vs seeing it in the pictures. Control center, however, sucks.

I installed the iOS beta and thought it was as bad, if not worse than the WWDC demos. In a lot of cases, text becomes outright unreadable. Control Center looks like a mess with all the transparency. Like the grandparent I'm much more excited by Material Design 3 Expressive.

In Vista/Win7, they mostly used glass background for parts of the window that didn't have any text on them. And for the few exceptions where that wasn't the case (like e.g. window titles) they added a kind of halo so that black text would always contrast with that regardless of what was below the window, or else just significantly darken the glass and use white text. All for obvious reasons.

Looking at the new iOS screenshots, I'm surprised that those reasons apparently aren't obvious to Apple designers.

Re: Android 16 is here

#183
post #4

The notification feature looks nice. I've pretty much exclusively used iOS, but honestly notifications is a weak point for iOS, in my opinion. I frequently have the 1 notification on my home screen, but once unlocked notifications are pretty much impossible to find again.

Once unlocked, swipe down from the top of the screen to open Notification Center.

On iOS the annoying thing about this gesture is that it only does that if you swipe down from the center. If you do it from top right corner (which is rather generously defined), you get shortcuts instead.

Re: Android 16 is here

#184

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Cars have also gained new features, but the steering wheel, shifter, pedals, mirrors are still in the same places since >50 years. You don't need to get a new license and re-learn how to drive every time a new model comes out because they moved the steering wheel on the ceiling to install a 32 inch LCD screen.

And my android phone still has "back", "home", and "recents" buttons in the exact same place they've been since they were literal hardware buttons. Core navigation (aka, "steering") is unchanged, no new drivers license required

Last I checked you had to flip a switch in settings to have all those buttons back like that; it hasn't been a default in stock Android for some time now.

Re: Android 16 is here

#185
post #23

I like their Material Expressive design a lot more now after Apple's big reveal. While it's still a bit too colorful and whimsical for my liking, it does stay much closer to what I think should be the top UX design ideal - be clear, legible, and get out of the way . On the new iOS every screen feels like some UX designer is shouting "look how amazing I am at this!!" at me.

I find as time goes on I am less-and-less excited about mobile releases. I’ve had a smartphone since the Google Nexus 1. The desktop experience is always better, and a good book is even more inviting. Curious what other folks are feeling. A lot of these tools seem like useless frivolity. Meanwhile, I have family who constantly get confused whether the iOS phone icon is FaceTime or the “real” phone; and I have to do m…

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Re: Android 16 is here

#186
post #23

I like their Material Expressive design a lot more now after Apple's big reveal. While it's still a bit too colorful and whimsical for my liking, it does stay much closer to what I think should be the top UX design ideal - be clear, legible, and get out of the way . On the new iOS every screen feels like some UX designer is shouting "look how amazing I am at this!!" at me.

I find as time goes on I am less-and-less excited about mobile releases. I’ve had a smartphone since the Google Nexus 1. The desktop experience is always better, and a good book is even more inviting. Curious what other folks are feeling. A lot of these tools seem like useless frivolity. Meanwhile, I have family who constantly get confused whether the iOS phone icon is FaceTime or the “real” phone; and I have to do m…

The old mobile OSs used to be hilariously lacking so every update was genuinely game changing. I remember getting really excited when Android Ice Cream Sandwich was adding screenshot functionality to tablets. And hearing people talk about folders getting added to iOS.

Now all the low hanging fruit is gone they are less exciting. The photogrammetry api stuff added to iOS probably took 100x the dev effort of adding folders and copy/paste, but gets far less excitement.

Re: Android 16 is here

#187
It's easier to keep doing something incremental than to fundamentally change things.

One avenue these phone OS, and any consumer OS, can pursue is making it easy to string together app sub-steps. An app can be "cracked open" into sub-step a) either by developers themselves b) or by a backend process at app submission time. The backend process could look at the screens, and see what the user journeys are - this is within reach for current LLMs. An "sub-step" here is like taking a flights app and turning it into different types of search functions - search by date, location, points etc. So an app becomes a bunch of interfaces.

Once you have these "sub-steps" a local LLM can string them together, because it can understand their inputs, outputs, and behaviors.

Actually executing the sub-steps would require the OS to execute the app in the background and run the sub-steps for the user. This would be akin to what browser agents do right now

So this is a way of semantically extracting the "verbs" in existing apps.

With a library of these "sub-steps" in apps, combined with similar ones extracted from the internet - you could chain together the web and native worlds, in the service of the user.

It's easier on phone OSs because phone apps are usually already logged in. It's realistic for iOS to just do a bunch of stuff for you in the background. You really can probably get finance info from all your finance apps, for example.

I'm not saying this is necessarily the answer - but re-thinking the OS in this sort of what is what would be an actually ambitious thing for Apple or Google to do. All these small tweaks are opiates.

Re: Android 16 is here

#188
post #162

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This knee-jerk reaction is correct more often than not (see the terrible iOS redesign announced earlier), but in this case it seems like it might be incorrect? I looked through the highlights linked here and the full "What's New" page [0] and am pleasantly surprised to see a few new features but no major overhauls of existing ones. [0] https://www.android.com/16

But thats also just what they're trying to advertise. They always make more changes than listed. And its the sneaky ones that get through...like when I upgraded to 15 my home button no longer exists when the screen is locked, which effectively makes google maps navigation stuck on the screen unless you stop navigation by pressing back repeatedly

This is never how the marketing around the big UI overhauls that OP is worried about works. A sneaky UI overhaul that's launched with no fanfare doesn't get anyone promoted, so why bother?

> like when I upgraded to 15 my home button no longer exists when the screen is locked, which effectively makes google maps navigation stuck on the screen unless you stop navigation by pressing back repeatedly

Smaller things like this, sure.

FYI, swiping up from the bottom will get into the lock screen and then once unlocked into the home screen.

Re: Android 16 is here

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once unlocked, swipe down from the top of the screen to open Notification Center.

On iOS the annoying thing about this gesture is that it only does that if you swipe down from the center. If you do it from top right corner (which is rather generously defined), you get shortcuts instead.

It works if you swipe down from the left side of the screen.
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