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Post by danielheath »

ringeryless wrote: post #732
palmfacehn wrote: post #710

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Regardless of tiresome partisan hyperbole, I don't regard the substance of this administration's actions as any more authoritarian the previous or the status quo. In the specific instances where state power has been expanded, I regard it as part of the general trend of expansion. The trend is more indicative of the overall incentives and structure of governance, rather than specific political actors. Similarly, parti…

i tend to see trumps abuse of office as an unprecedented claim to powers a president does not, did not, and should not have. only partisan blinders would cause one to equate trumps actions with anything from our past. mark my words, maga is about dismantling the american system and establishing a totalitarian state. obey.

IMO, Obama claiming the power to assassinate US citizens on US soil (by declaring them "foreign combatants") was primarily different in that he only used it a little bit.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/obama-administration-cla...

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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Post by tonymet »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #575
cptroot wrote: post #305

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For what it's worth, the way you've phrased this question doesn't sound like you want to discuss any of these issues. It sounds like you have bones to pick with what people have said and want to argue about it.

Yes. He's insinuating that the only reason you would dislike musk is sure to his association with trump. He's also insinuating that people who dislike trump just like the opposite of what trump like, so that is trump dislikes musk then they musk like him. He's just a troll.

the left loved musk until he started helping trump

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Post by h4kunamata »

Without SpaceX, all of us will never leave this planet and will have very restricted access to space exploration.

EU is more dead than alive regarding space exploration; India moves slowly for obvious reasons; CH will never be used for any major western country project; Russia space program is gone;

Yet, America always hated SpaceX!! Elon has his problems but SpaceX is one of the best things that has ever happened, now even CH can return rockets back to Earth.

I am pretty sure Australia would accept SpaceX with open arms. Due to being too close to Trump, Elon burned the bridge with EU and Canada so he will never be able to move his company there. Australia is a very good candidate.

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Post by arresin »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #578
tonymet wrote: post #381

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Was he when he was saving the world from climate change? Was trump a baddie when he was a B-tier celeb on Apprentice?

He was never saving the world from climate change, you're just naive.

That’s not the point we’re making.

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Post by kamaal »

pessimist wrote: post #153
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

It turns out that when elections are fought on the basis of identity (race, religion) etc corruption is actually considered a benefit! This is because the loyalists interpret this as "we" are winning and "they" are losing. I witnessed this up close in India where parties openly exist to benefit certain constituencies based on caste, language, religion and so on. It is horrifying to see this attitude take root in my a…

>>I witnessed this up close in India where parties openly exist to benefit certain constituencies based on caste, language, religion and so on.

+1

As an Indian, classic definition of corruption here is something that other people do. When our own do it, its not really called corruption, its more intelligent work done to make our people win.

Similar term is appeasement. It kind of means if people I hate are winning, they must be doing bad things or cheating. It is impossible that people I hate should do well in life.

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Post by ETH_start »

bdangubic wrote: post #745
ETH_start wrote: post #721

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Clinton deleted 30,000 emails to prevent them from being scrutinized in an investigation.

we are not banana republic (just yet, getting there though) so anyone that breaks a law under a given statute you file charges, run an investigation and punish if law(s) are broken. if memory serves me well there was one :) can’t say the same for Hegseth et al but night is young so-to-speak…

The prosecution record, where Trump and dozens of his allies were prosecuted, is the record of a banana republic.

Like I said there's hundreds of thousands of regulations which hold the potential for criminal sanction. They could have found her guilty of something when she deleted those emails. The SDNY DAG found a way to charge the developers of Tornado Cash with running an illegal money transmission service when they didn't even hold it in custody of any funds, they simply published code. They stretched the law to incredible lengths to get someone they wanted. And they couldn't find something to pin on Hillary Clinton? Ridiculous.

They didn't for political reasons and you're naive or dishonest for believing otherwise.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

mousethatroared wrote: post #754
4gotunameagain wrote: post #737

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You are conflating different and irrelevant arguments. The discussion was never about Byzantium or modern Greece. It was whether we can trace the beginning of Western civilisation in Ancient Greece instead of Rome, which indeed we can. Far before Christianity, a topic which you seem blindly passionate about, with some apparent beef against Orthodoxy. This has little to do with Christianity. And I find little interest…

If we're tracing seeds, the Ancient Greeks openly acknowledged their debt to Egypt. Therefore the Egyptians invented the West. But my point is that the West is Rome enlightened by Greeks and humanized by Jews. What is Athens + Jerusalem? Eastern Europe. Orthodoxy. (No beef, btw. Ive been to Meteora and just missed a chance to stay in Mt. Athos) What is Rome + Athens + Jerusalem? The Catholic Church.

Your perception of history is muddled by religion.

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Post by slimebot80 »

andrewflnr wrote: post #638
slimebot80 wrote: post #451

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Yeah. I believe Moscow props them up and has platformed them, but not because of any secret intelligence - it's the opposite: they are installing this exact chaos.

Eh, still giving Moscow too much credit IMO. Certainly I don't think Moscow was critical to get them where they are (that's ironically giving too much credit to the American people, too; it turns out we're really dumb).

I think out social media is very actively influenced by certain regimes. They are rotting us from within.
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