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The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by asenchi »

RankingMember wrote: post #274
asenchi wrote: post #267

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God, who is referred to as love, created beings in his image to tend to his creation, and to be in a love relationship with him. He himself created out of a loving relationship (read up on his triune nature). Rather than make them automatons that simply do his will he wanted them to love him of their own will the same he loves them. You can understand his first command as "do this because you love me and trust that I…

> Rather than make them automatons that simply do his will he wanted them to love him of their own will the same he loves them. You can understand his first command as "do this because you love me and trust that I have your best interest in mind". So he doesn't want automatons, but he does want unquestioning loyalty and trust? Is this not simply a distinction without a difference? If someone we knew in our lives beha…

I don’t think it is so much “unquestioning loyalty and trust” but a loving relationship with the creator of the universe. It is hardly a distinction without difference. The story continues that God came to earth as a man who, while innocent, was brutally murdered, for spreading this message. That doesn’t sound like controlling (nor trauma-induced) behavior to me. Instead it sounds like the ultimate sacrifice for a loved one.

Finally, you missed the part where humans chose to be cast away, the consequences of sin are death.

Either way, I pray this truth is revealed to you and that you are blessed in your day and week.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by archagon »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #234
egypturnash wrote: post #208

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What are all those [brackets] and (((parenthesis))) in your posts supposed to mean? Do you need a refresher on HN’s half-assed version of Markdown ( https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc ) or something?

It's an anti-semitic dog whistle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses This poster is a fan of, or maybe actually is himself, the neonazi cartoonist StoneToss; the username is an allusion to the artist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StoneToss

Gross.

With users like this, I've been making good use of the "Comments Owl for Hacker News" browser plugin: add an emoji tag to the user for visibility, then insta-flag their posts whenever I see them.

(There are probably better uses of my time, but...)

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by spyspy »

m-s-y wrote: post #209
SlowTao wrote: post #73

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I am not the brightest spark as it took me a few months of living in a heavily Jewish area to realise that the pedestrian traffics light were configured to run every cycle so they didn't have to press the button. Probably a lot more details I also missed.

I doubt very much this is related to any local Jewish population. Most traffic buttons are placebos these days; the pedestrian signals automatically signal alongside the traffic lights. The exception would be low-pedestrian-volume areas with lights and crossings reserved specifically for pedestrians.

You're probably correct, but having lived in northern Brooklyn for almost a decade, I wouldn't be surprised if those communities had a hand in that type of infrastructure. They already have their own police force.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by mrguyorama »

mattlondon wrote: post #184
emmelaich wrote: post #83

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There are hotels and apartment blocks that have physical locks as well as the swipe card. So you can use the physical key on the Sabbath.

I recently heard that an apartment block near me cannot have automatic emergency lighting or fire sprinklers retrofitted incase there is a fire on a Saturday. Forget about burning to death or falling down pitch-black stairs and breaking your neck, it is apparently more important that electrical circuits are not energized or a valve is not opened on a saturday! Absolutely absurd. I am indifferent to people stringing u…

>Forget about burning to death or falling down pitch-black stairs and breaking your neck, it is apparently more important that electrical circuits are not energized or a valve is not opened on a saturday!

This is literally bogus. Nothing in Judaism prevents automated systems! That's the entire point of "sabbath mode" in elevators for example, and it's perfectly normal and usual to set electrical things to work on a timer on the sabbath.

Whoever told you this was utterly wrong and ignorant. There is no rabbi who would have agreed with this, WITHOUT the "you can ignore mitzvot to not die" corollary that others point out.

A fire alarm is a perfectly normal part of a kosher home. Maybe reconsider how much you trust the person who said this to you.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by AStonesThrow »

archagon wrote: post #282
giraffe_lady wrote: post #234

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It's an anti-semitic dog whistle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses This poster is a fan of, or maybe actually is himself, the neonazi cartoonist StoneToss; the username is an allusion to the artist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StoneToss

Gross. With users like this, I've been making good use of the "Comments Owl for Hacker News" browser plugin: add an emoji tag to the user for visibility, then insta-flag their posts whenever I see them. (There are probably better uses of my time, but...)

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by bwestergard »

UltraSane wrote: post #275
bwestergard wrote: post #244

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Interpretation of a law can be very subtle without being merely a ruse to "find loopholes". The development of the religious law around eruvim strikes me as a series of common sense adaptations that took place to preserve an ideal in the face of changing historical circumstances.

Going from a solid wall providing actual privacy and access control to a completely pointless wire is NOT "common sense adaptation". It is negating the law while pretending you are still adhering to it.

Can you site any rabbinical responsa for the assertion that "privacy and access control" are relevant factors?

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by tomhow »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #165
bawolff wrote: post #164

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> Also, hopefully nobody actually takes these rules so seriously that they end up hurting or killing anyone. There was a bicyclist who was injured when one of these lines fell far below installation height, but I’m thinking more about, for example, people who need to use hospital equipment during the Sabbath. They are supposed to ignore these rules if a life is at stake. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefe…

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by UltraSane »

bwestergard wrote: post #286
UltraSane wrote: post #275

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Going from a solid wall providing actual privacy and access control to a completely pointless wire is NOT "common sense adaptation". It is negating the law while pretending you are still adhering to it.

Can you site any rabbinical responsa for the assertion that "privacy and access control" are relevant factors?

Eruv originally meant wall and those are the main functions of a wall. It is reasonable to assume that that is why the law used a wall as a condition for exceptions on Sabbath restrictions. They sure as hell didn't originally use a freaking WIRE.

It seems similar to Islam allowing women to wear completely sheer niqab.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by ComplexSystems »

Loudergood wrote: post #276
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #212

couldn't they hook up some kind of low voltage or resistance check to confirm continuity. instead of a visual inspection. and This is pretty crazy loop hole.

Makes me curious to what the upper limit is. Could they just do the entire island? What keeps them from going around the entire planet? Following that you could go beyond that and the loop would get shorter and cover more of the planet. Theoretically you could then securely store it inside a safe and cover 99.9999* of the Earth.

How do you know what the inside of the wire is? Maybe the entire Earth except for Manhattan is inside, and they are actually on the outside.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by recursivecaveat »

brilee wrote: post #188
bravesoul2 wrote: post #104

Why not make a tiny 10cm wire at the north pole to do the entire planet? And bless the oceans for unlimited holy water. Anyone who goes to the beach is baptised.

The loop can be anywhere, not just the north pole :)

I have placed a small loop of twist-tie in one of my kitchen drawers. For a modest fee I'm willing to commit to it remaining that way indefinitely. With enough subscribers perhaps a webcam so everyone can be assured that the outside is not leaking into the rest of the world (:
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