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Defiant loyalists paid dearly for choosing wrong side in the American Revolution

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> They seem only distinguishable aesthetically to me. This is likely to depend heavily on what positions you care strongly about.

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And that's four of many hundreds/thousands of things care about.

It'd be pretty silly to claim the two parties are identical on these issues, as well. Significant differences exist even on these four.

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I think a lot of people believe that there ought to be a statute of limitations on immigration; if you've been peacefully living and working in the country for many years, what's the actual public purpose of deporting someone? Including breaking up a family?

The purpose of deporting them is the same as punishing any other crime: to disincentivize committing it.

Immigration is arguably even more important to enforce in this manner because of the clear-cut legal alternative.

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When Americans were “resisting authority” by not wearing masks and keeping their businesses opened despite lockdown orders did you feel the same pride in anti-authority behavior then? One person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist. Always has been and always will be that way. The winning side when there is one usually gets to write the history of who was what. Do you still feel pride in American anti-auth…

Well the point of wearing a mask is mostly to protect vulnerable people, and to slow the spread of a disease. These protests are also about protecting vulnerable people. And, I would argue, to slow the spread of a disease.

Lest we all forget, the messaging coming out the the White House at the beginning was "masks are ineffective"

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You never see the employers of "illegal" labour getting teargassed and dragged away to foreign prisons without trial, do you?

This is because employers are generally compliant with law enforcement requests. I don't think you're making a point there - if the employers are breaking laws they will also get punished and if they resist persistently then there will be violence.

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When Americans were “resisting authority” by not wearing masks and keeping their businesses opened despite lockdown orders did you feel the same pride in anti-authority behavior then? One person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist. Always has been and always will be that way. The winning side when there is one usually gets to write the history of who was what. Do you still feel pride in American anti-auth…

Why didn't you wear you wear a mask while a deadly air-borne disease was going around the world? Was it just because your governor told you to? Was it because a governor from another state told you not to? Did you even think about it? Was it because you don't value your neighbor's lives? Do you not really value your own?

Not wearing a mask, not getting a vaccine in a global pandemic of a deadly airborne disease, and otherwise going out of your way to spread a deadly disease is not behavior of "resisting authority", it is the behavior of a death cult. This behavior may also shown by denying or ignoring climate change, cutting funding to health care, food assistance, child lunches, etc...

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When Americans were “resisting authority” by not wearing masks and keeping their businesses opened despite lockdown orders did you feel the same pride in anti-authority behavior then? One person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist. Always has been and always will be that way. The winning side when there is one usually gets to write the history of who was what. Do you still feel pride in American anti-auth…

> When Americans were “resisting authority” by not wearing masks and keeping their businesses opened despite lockdown orders did you feel the same pride in anti-authority behavior then?

As someone who was wearing a mask, getting the vaccine, but living in a community full of those people, I thought they were dumb and harmful.

And I still admired the "don't tell me what to do" spirit because I have actual objective principles that go beyond what benefits me. And I made people angry arguing that the government was overreaching the law in what they could force people to do.

Because I'm not an authoritarian. Words mean things.

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Actually there's a massive difference between Democrats and Republicans in the US, and that difference matters a lot

Is there? They seem only distinguishable aesthetically to me. They’re much closer to each other than UK’s Tories and Labour, for sure.

There are a lot of similarities when it comes to their tendency towards Corporatocracy and military spending, but it largely ends there.

When it comes to taxes, fiscal priorities, rights for individuals, foreign policy, crime and punishment, and of course social issues they are very different and in most cases take the opposite approach.

For example, Republicans want lower taxes for the wealthy while Democrats want lower taxes for the lower and middle classes. Republicans want to restrict individuals rights - especially for non-christian white males, Democrats don't. Republicans favor heavy handed punishment including capital punishment, Democrats favor rehabilitation and a ban on capital punishment. Republicans want to blow up the national debt through tax breaks and pork, Democrats want to control the debt through responsible spending and investments. Republicans want to stop investment in education and science while Democrats want to increase investment in these areas. These are all very real and not just aesthetics.

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The “laws must be enforced, back the blue” folks voted in a convicted felon - exempting him from sentencing! - who then pardoned hundreds of people who assaulted cops on his behalf. Spare me.

Given two choices, and America preferring the felon what does that say about the alternative.
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