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How about not creating a precarious underclass with lack of (higher) education that is ready to vote for whatever solution promising to take down the system that made them so desperate for radical change?
I don't really buy the education argument. How do you "educate" somebody who lived through the first Trump administration and voted for more of the same? Let's get specific: what exactly did they miss in school that would have driven them towards a different decision? At some point it's necessary to confront the uncomfortable truth: stupid people are easy for smart, ill-intentioned people to herd, which gives the lat…
> At some point it's necessary to confront the uncomfortable truth
Sometimes the truth is even more uncomfortable than “lots of people are stupid.” A much more insidious scenario is when there’s two groups with no major differences in education or access to facts, but one has a cultural which is actively and explicitly hostile to truth. In such scenarios, ever-escalating hostilities between the two groups is inevitable.
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Please, spare us. The most powerful men in the world are having a spat over social media like a pair of tweens, and you have the gall of calling out the left, as if the "left" (whatever the hell that means in the US, since you have no left, but I digress) was the one that voted them. Take a look in the mirror if you want to cry about dumb thoughts.
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#654Isn't there specific laws that allows the government to take over businesses for war time production? Hasn't he already used harsher laws for less already?
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#655Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that both the Republicans and Democrats are very pro large business. Remember Harris raised at least _twice_ as much money from billionaires than Trump. They're just pro different big businesses, largely based on their demographics. Personally I'm still annoyed that Obama's administration had the DOE take over servicing federal student loans to "protect students" only for them to somehow be sold to a private comp…
Surely this is untrue? Isn't it the opposite? What are you basing this on? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/billionaires... https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaires-buying-elec... Billionaire spending heavily favored Republicans. Over two-thirds (70%) of billionaire-family contributions went in support of GOP candidates and conservative causes. Less than a quarter (23%) backed Democratic hopefu…
I hadn't looked for a while, but Harris was out raising and out spending Trump substantially when I'd last read up on it. Much of that seemed to come primarily from big donors.
Sure the more of the top richest people may have donated more to Trump or Republicans, but Harris raised much more overall.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-v...
Seems like they both raised about the same from their top 20 largest donors:
> The Harris campaign received significantly more funding than Trump's, outspending the Republican advertising machine by more than 70 percent in the final stretch of the election.
> According to data from Open Secrets, Harris received almost $400 million from her 20 largest backers. Trump received over half a billion dollars from his top 20, which included over $100 million from SpaceX, Elon Musk's rocket company.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-v...
My take of that is that Trump raised a bit more from concentrated donations from the richest billionaires, but Harris overall raised more from larger numbers of billionaires and millionaires.
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Nooooo! Not muh heckin' Tesla stonks! It's just such a shame that Elon was pressured into this messy politics stuff. After all, he could have just stayed in his own lane, kept his nose clean, made value for shareholders and saved America along the way. It was so easy! Hell, he could have just become president himself with his spotless track record of administrative accomplishment. Who wouldn't vote for him? Now look…
I don't care about Musk personally but if you think Trump's threat is the first direct named threat against his company by a politician, I think you are off your rocker
By most accounts, that's what typically happens to businessmen who have close ties to the Russian Federation. Doubly so if you spent your early 20s on a traipse around post-bloc oblasts looking to buy decommissioned weapon systems. Triply so if you're still picking up when Putin calls you.
If it's any consolation though, Elon's not alone. Plus, he's probably earned a real nice dacha near occupied Sumy for the valuable work he's done the government.
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#658Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It turns out that when elections are fought on the basis of identity (race, religion) etc corruption is actually considered a benefit! This is because the loyalists interpret this as "we" are winning and "they" are losing. So how could one design a political system so this behavior doesn't emerge / is not incentivized?
In no way this is a good example of such a system, but I still find Bosnia and Herzegovina political system absolutely hilarious. After Dayton peace agreement the literally put ethnicity requirement for presidents to Constitution as a hard rule. One Bosnian, one Serb and one Croatian. And yes, the country is ran by 3 presidents at the same time. So there is no longer a competition whether the main guy in the country…
having three is interesting because it gives a way to break ties. how do they handle candidates with mixed ethnicity, though? or the Serbians and Croatians converging, while the Bosnians move farther apart from both?
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#659"one in eight Americans thinking women are too emotional to be in politics" [1]. Well, I don't know, maybe men should not holding high political offices /s [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03616843221123...
Maybe neither should. The problem is the power existing in the first place, waiting around for someone like Trump.
Come on, as Beth says, those two should just fuck and get it over with.. We are all adults here. Say it with me: "Those two should just fuck and be be friends, again"
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#660Apparently, Musk is very popular among Republicans: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/06/06/elon-musk-...
Musk is popular amongst republicans because Trump has championed him. The pro-Musk Republicans are also pro-Trump republicans and their loyalty to Trump will beat out whatever respect they have for Musk. Musk is not a threat to Trump, because Trump’s entire platform is built on Trump-or-bust. Musk was a useful idiot to Trump. Musk thinking that Trump’s Epstein connection was somehow going to hurt Trump shows just how…
Yep. In 2016 all of Trump's scandals were already exposed. It didn't do anything. Trump can easily walk away from Musk right now with no problems. Tesla is probably not going to last at high valuation much longer anyways