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Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

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Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

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Has rent ever been 10% of take-home pay of a lower-class laborer anywhere in history? Asking because this goal doesn't seem very achievable, but I could be wrong

it was 2% in the soviet union

Except Soviet Union made you work for near slave wages. I would choose NYC over it 100% of the time.

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> Still, she added, rents are about 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels, and consumers remain concerned about their financial situation and job security in recent surveys. When people throw around the word shortage what they mean is "availability at a price I'm willing to pay." Same with labor shortages.

That's... the definition of shortage

I think they meant ‘that i’m happy to pay’. which is different.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has rent ever been 10% of take-home pay of a lower-class laborer anywhere in history? Asking because this goal doesn't seem very achievable, but I could be wrong

it was 2% in the soviet union

Ah yea, it looks like that's true. I didn't calculate the actual percentages, but it was very low. Thanks for the heads up -

> Demand for housing also remains heavy because Soviet rents, heavily subsidized by the Government, are very low. A modest two‐room apartment will en for 6 to 8 rubles ($8 to $11.30) a month, including some utilities. A four‐room apartment wil rent for 14 to 16 rubles ($18.20 to $22.30). Apartments in more modern buildings cost more because of additional services.

https://www.nytimes.com/1974/11/11/archives/in-soviet-ingenu...

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

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what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

> Still, she added, rents are about 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels, and consumers remain concerned about their financial situation and job security in recent surveys. When people throw around the word shortage what they mean is "availability at a price I'm willing to pay." Same with labor shortages.

> "availability at a price I'm willing to pay."

For the many scores of millions of us, it's "not more than I can possibly pay".

ref: lived thru the 400 applications per day per rental crisis in 2021.

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what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

> Still, she added, rents are about 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels, and consumers remain concerned about their financial situation and job security in recent surveys. When people throw around the word shortage what they mean is "availability at a price I'm willing to pay." Same with labor shortages.

I think it is usually means "for the price I can afford". Housing as you can imagine is not luxury item in your life.

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what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

The title is about asking rents, not average rents. In a perfectly liquid market these are the same, but shelter is far from liquid. Many renters have been renting for years and are paying less than today's asking prices; if they had to move, they'd still be facing a rent hike. This means that while the pressure on housing may be decreasing somewhat, shelter inflation is still a big thing (growing at a 3.6% annualized rate as of April, and outpacing broader inflation significantly).

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Rents are still too damn high. The shortage will be over when rent is less than 10% of take home pay for a lower class laborer in NYC.

Has rent ever been 10% of take-home pay of a lower-class laborer anywhere in history? Asking because this goal doesn't seem very achievable, but I could be wrong

Average salary in Ukraine is about 25,000 UAH, and average rent in some of the poorer regions was/is about 4000 UAH. So 16% of salary.

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> Still, she added, rents are about 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels, and consumers remain concerned about their financial situation and job security in recent surveys. When people throw around the word shortage what they mean is "availability at a price I'm willing to pay." Same with labor shortages.

That's... the definition of shortage

Much of the narrative has been that the problem is because nimby boomers won’t allow apartment complexes in single family neighborhoods, there are simply not enough apartments.

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

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what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

> Still, she added, rents are about 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels, and consumers remain concerned about their financial situation and job security in recent surveys. When people throw around the word shortage what they mean is "availability at a price I'm willing to pay." Same with labor shortages.

So that is a good point. Demand is related to price. Lower the price, demand increases. Perhaps we've reached the point where all those who want and can afford apartments priced $x and above already have apartments, but there are not apartments priced $x-$z available.

So we will just have to see if prices continue to drop.

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