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Post by hollerith »

slimebot80 wrote: post #448
protocolture wrote: post #433

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Everything you say is true. That said I think SpaceX is the only service even in the running for said contracts. Nasa doesnt have the capability, and Boeing is quite a way behind. There was already speculation that SpaceX would have to take on Boeings commitments for Artemis.

It's murky. NASA outsources a lot of money to SpaceX because Musk could burn through risk and money at levels NASA would get cancelled for. At what point is SpaceX's benefiting from tax money and NASA technology become a reason to fold into a national asset. China didn't achieve its Great Leap Forward by pandering to wealthy celebrities who cosplay as geniuses.

>Great Leap Forward

Altough most readers will catch your meaning, that phrase does not mean what you think it means.

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Post by bobxmax »

cycomanic wrote: post #304
bobxmax wrote: post #292

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So you can't give me a single racist statement he made.

For the risk of feeding a troll: >There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously," and retweeted a false claim that 81% of white murder victims were killed by black people. > "We've just seen many, many crimes getting worse all the time, and as Maine knows—a major destination for Somali refugees—right, am I…

How are either of those sentences "racist"?

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Post by zitsarethecure »

hermitcrab wrote: post #163
steveBK123 wrote: post #34

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> If Elon thought he was buying the presidency in exchange for favors, he wasn't thinking things through. This is the funniest part to me, in the context of THIS president. The guy that demands fully loyalty but gives none? I can't imagine being the richest guy in the world, and embarrassing myself to such a degree all for.. what? He paid maybe $300M to help elect the guy, wore all the stupid hates, lavished orange m…

It was weird to see all those billionaire tech bros lining up to kiss his arse. What is the point of spending all that effort to be super rich and powerful if it means you have to grovel to a terrible human being like Trump? Does not compute.

"This time WE will be in control." is probably what they were thinking.

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Post by bobxmax »

jbattle wrote: post #353
bobxmax wrote: post #271

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Does the modern left?

Biden's inaugural address was full of this "To all those who supported our campaign, I'm humbled by the faith you've placed in us. To all of those who did not support us, let me say this. Hear me out as we move forward. Take a measure of me and my heart. If you still disagree, so be it. That's democracy. That's America. The right to dissent peaceably. Within the guardrails of our republic, it's perhaps this nation's…

Fair enough.

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Post by palmfacehn »

WhyIsItAlwaysHN wrote: post #528
palmfacehn wrote: post #468

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The tyranny of the majority is another, often overlooked form of authoritarianism.

Good point, and much harder to challenge. If the majority is against an authoritarian there's protests and sabotage of social structures. If the majority oppresses a fringe group, it's often socially encouraged

For these reasons, I personally believe authoritarianism cannot be opposed without a solid foundation of individualism. The problem becomes that explaining ideological nuance is rarely politically expedient or even rhetorically effective. Appeals to collectivism are more easily digested by the masses.

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Post by bix6 »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #543
bix6 wrote: post #251

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I’d argue we’re already there with all the social fragmentation but I reckon we’ll see a measurable decline in scientific output / discovery.

Patents? Journal articles published?

Funding is already falling ie NSF disbursements so I’d expect the h-index to fall off significantly. So sure patents will fall, journal pubs will fall, enrollment will fall, staff count will fall, total experiment count will fall, grant count will fall.

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Post by _heimdall »

wat10000 wrote: post #405
_heimdall wrote: post #388

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Do you not believe Trump was elected legitimately? I totally understand and share many of the concerns over the insurrection and what happened around it, but Trump didn't take office in 2020 and wasn't reelected until 2024.

He was. Where do you see me saying otherwise?

> Biden was elected legitimately.

I must have misread you last comment. I read this as a comparison implying that Biden wasn't legitimately elected but you just meant it to set up the point.

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Post by sethammons »

ETH_start wrote: post #524
conception wrote: post #493

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I think you mean convicted. Because they did crimes. If they would stop doing crime they wouldn’t get convicted. Still waiting for someone to lock Hillary up. Oh wait…

There are hundreds of thousands of regulations carrying criminal penalties. If a political party is determined to imprison an opponent, it will find a law they’ve technically violated. In Trump’s case, they used an obscure accounting rule — one so trivial that even prominent Democratic supporters acknowledged it was an inappropriate basis for prosecution. Hillary Clinton used a private email server while serving as S…

Wait. What do you think about Hegseth's signal and atlantic reporter issue? That is wildly worse and where is the court case that absolutely should be happening?

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Post by martin-t »

rbanffy wrote: post #541
thoroughburro wrote: post #143

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Narcissists are over-represented as CEOs and such, as well. I think a fair number of Americans like narcissists.

Corporate politics doesn’t adequately punish the traits narcissists and sociopaths present. Quite the contrary, those traits can easily become assets in their careers.

Exactly. It's an evolutionarily beneficial trait. We're no longer competing with other species (why social traits developed), we're competing against each other (where the right amount of anti-social traits works best).
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