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Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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> corruption is actually considered a benefit! This is because the loyalists interpret this as "we" are winning and "they" are losing. I think the end goal is domination. From https://mastodon.social/@JuliusGoat/109551955251655267 : It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. It’s not an inconsis…

Yeah, only the issue here is that @realFascists are in opposition to Trump. And reading this text in that light - it check out and not really a news. Also, frankly, you folks need to stop monopolizing these topics, based on highly polarized ideological filter, because even before Trump there was dissatisfaction about how Musk monopolized NASA contracts on the promise, that he would deliver more efficient and cheaper…

Can you clarify what reality you're talking about? How NASA would do it cheaper?

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Not only that but Musk was able to successfully argue in court that he's such a well known liar that a reasonable person wouldn't take his accusations of pedophillia seriously

Wow, I didn't know this. I didn't even know this was a possible defense at all, "everything I say is bullshit, so if anyone takes it seriously, that's on them".

Fox news attempted this defense in court "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."

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He supposedly learned it after the fact. Also, he didn't say that, although he surely implied that. However, he only said that Trump is in the "files", which has actually been public information for a long time. It's known that Trump had some relations with Epstein, but there's no evidence he went to the island or did something wrong. It's quite obvious that Elon knows that Trump is not on the actual "list", i.e. the…

> He supposedly learned it after the fact. When exactly? He was friends with Trump and working in his administration until a few weeks ago (they hugged in his going away ceremony), and he broke up for reasons explicitly not about any pedophile rings. So to lob this accusation now doesn't seem like it's because he just learned of it. I don't know what Musk really believes. The guy behaves like a mentally unstable pers…

Trump is very interesting critter to observe.

>>>What is true is that accusing the president of the US of being linked to a pedophile ring is not the same as accusing some random scuba diver of being a pedophile.

I think you might have bigger issues here. Trump has links to mafia - and that is a fact. I'm more interested on what he was doing in regards to Ukraine, as post Soviet mafia(Georgian-Soviet Jewish mix in NY) via NY US Italian? mafia helped him a lot and gave him loans for his projects. Over the time Kremlins took over Soviet mafia and incorporated it - it might sound like a joke, but it is the truth - all the countries have mafia, but in Russia mafia is running country.

So, from the actions of Trump on how he is dealing with Ukraine, Trump is no better than Biden and Democrats that were frozen by fear because of the threats that Putin said. Which is good... if you want to see fireworks of nuclear weapons in action, because US actions(and inactions) are enabling that. Putin will use nukes on US - for many reasons - mainly because Putin is not at fault here and is misunderstanding American mindset, which is not completely decommissioned by Democrats.

From what I understand Musk simply has no leverage what Kremlin mafia has over Trump, also Musk is autistic who has no training on how to influence other people the way how Putin(could be slightly autistic, as he is mirroring what Russians want - just like Hitler did) does as he is blunt and uses brutal force, which people as social beings does not appreciate.

There is also significant difference between Trump and Musk - Trump can say things bluntly, but he also can operate on personal level and have different attitude to very important people - also he likes flattery. Musk has only one of those qualities - he can say things bluntly(but without confidence and aura of power), but as autistic he is completely unaware of when he should really shut up when he is not in control of situation.

PS Trump, Musk, even the opposition to me are insects and entomology of humans is just a hobby to me. Unlike most of people from US(and apparently people that can't understand that they are not part of US) I have my own thoughts, that I don't have a need to resonate and change in frequency according to some general line of one side or other.

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The property of "being a child" in an adult is effectively a matter of ethics and morality

No, it can be justified with rationality alone.

Rational and ethical have a lot of overlap.

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The world is no longer a serious place. Everybody is turbo-infantilised via social media. I don't know if that's indeed the root cause or if it's a combination of factors, but the fact remains that people don't even feel the need to _ pretend to care _ about honesty, character, seriousness, etc.

This kind of stuff would not fly in Australia. Not to say that there is no corruption, but that it isn’t absolutely blatant and ignored.

Are you really so sure? I think the vast majority of Americans would have expressed the same sentiment less than 10 years ago.

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So, the government would do what, lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? Also, for Boeing or Blue Origin, the cost would currently be higher per launch, and as far as I know, no one has the kind of satellite network that SpaceX does. Of course, those are sane considerations. I suppose I shouldn’t accuse the Donald of any kind of rational thinking.

> lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war?

Are they though? Trump is on Putins side. Who disputes that?

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Read the Wiki on his 2016 campaign. Or pretty much anything he said on race prior to the campaign. That he attracted votes from anyone without white skin is amazing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

Don't just send me a random dump wiki dump. Give me actual racist things he said in 2016.

It's not racist to push baseless claims the opposition who is black was born in Africa and not qualified to run for office ?

How else would you define racism if not across xenophobic lines by the color of ones skin ?

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Read the Wiki on his 2016 campaign. Or pretty much anything he said on race prior to the campaign. That he attracted votes from anyone without white skin is amazing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

Don't just send me a random dump wiki dump. Give me actual racist things he said in 2016.

I’m sorry that the volume of racist statements he has made means that you have to scroll down. The below link should take you straight there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump#2...

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I figure that's intended as a "gotcha", but a hallmark of any autocracy, fascism included, is the factional fights and purges. And few understand, but being an early supporter of fascism actually increases one's statistical chances of ngmi.
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