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Post by bobxmax »

krapp wrote: post #237
bobxmax wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't claim that while claiming wanting to elect a black president wasn't a big driver in much of the turnout for Obama. There were multiple musicians literally making songs about finally being able to elect a black president.

Trump's initial popularity was due in no small part to the anger of American white supremacists and the alt-right, this was well documented even back in 2016[0,3]. That the President elected after Obama was the man who mainstreamed the birther conspiracies against Obama was not a coincidence. It wasn't entirely about Obama, but he was the straw that broke white America's back. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics…

This wasn't because of racism. This belief is why the left keeps losing to him... a total misunderstanding of what brought him into power.

Some of the earliest figureheads of the so-called "alt right" movement were homosexuals and racial minorities

Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. His win was a revolt against emergent phenomenon like "cancel culture".

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Post by dragonwriter »

bobxmax wrote: post #241
krapp wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump's initial popularity was due in no small part to the anger of American white supremacists and the alt-right, this was well documented even back in 2016[0,3]. That the President elected after Obama was the man who mainstreamed the birther conspiracies against Obama was not a coincidence. It wasn't entirely about Obama, but he was the straw that broke white America's back. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics…

This wasn't because of racism. This belief is why the left keeps losing to him... a total misunderstanding of what brought him into power. Some of the earliest figureheads of the so-called "alt right" movement were homosexuals and racial minorities Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. His win was a revolt against emergent phenomenon like "cancel culture".

> Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age.

So, it wasn't bigotry it was just a reaction against the rejection of bigotry?

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Post by KennyBlanken »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #229
pessimist wrote: post #153

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It turns out that when elections are fought on the basis of identity (race, religion) etc corruption is actually considered a benefit! This is because the loyalists interpret this as "we" are winning and "they" are losing. I witnessed this up close in India where parties openly exist to benefit certain constituencies based on caste, language, religion and so on. It is horrifying to see this attitude take root in my a…

> corruption is actually considered a benefit! This is because the loyalists interpret this as "we" are winning and "they" are losing. I think the end goal is domination. From https://mastodon.social/@JuliusGoat/109551955251655267 : It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. It’s not an inconsis…

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Post by WalterBright »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #158
cameldrv wrote: post #141

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Likewise that Elon can say Trump is “ungrateful” that be received $150 million in campaign donations because he withdrew the nomination for Elon’s NASA administrator. It’s just open bribery.

American democracy died on the day the supreme court overturned campaign finance restrictions. Since then US politics is a mere playground for billionaires and corporations.

Harris outspent Trump 3:1. Hillary outspent Trump 2:1. It's not that easy to buy an election.

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Post by WalterBright »

yongjik wrote: post #102
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

On the positive side, Trump is so unstable that he'll trash your business one day and then the next day he'll reverse course. So, "if people kiss your ass enough, they get contract" does not seem to be a long-term viable strategy. (Exhibit A: Musk.) I'm 90% sure it will lead to America's ruin, but it might not quite be the same path that led the USSR to ruin. Hey, at least it looks more entertaining! :/

America's ruin will be spending itself into bankruptcy.

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Post by bobxmax »

dragonwriter wrote: post #242
bobxmax wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wasn't because of racism. This belief is why the left keeps losing to him... a total misunderstanding of what brought him into power. Some of the earliest figureheads of the so-called "alt right" movement were homosexuals and racial minorities Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. His win was a revolt against emergent phenomenon like "cancel culture".

> Trump's win was a revolt against the social justice age. So, it wasn't bigotry it was just a reaction against the rejection of bigotry?

The social justice age wasn't a rejection of bigotry. It was a Mccarthy-esque movement of dividing everybody between sexual and racial lines into a hierarchy of who was and wasn't allowed to speak. Speaking against the party line meant exile.

The SJW/Wokeism movement had nothing to do with true equity and "rejection of bigotry". That's why there was such a revolt against it.

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Post by xnx »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

Every accusation from Trump/Fox/Republicans is an admission. This is the "swamp" they were going to drain. It is now overflowing.

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Post by dragonwriter »

voidfunc wrote: post #240
cosmicgadget wrote: post #178

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We have legislative immunity called the speech and debate clause. It doesn't shield lawmakers from other crimes, nor should it, and it certainly doesn't imply some sort of expansive executive immunity. The founders were rebelling agaisnt an untouchable executive, remember?

If the founders thought it was so important the President not have immunity from all crimes they would have written it such rather than leaving it to interpretation.

> If the founders thought it was so important the President not have immunity from all crimes they would have written it such

They did; by writing in explicit immunities for some constitutional officers for certain activities, they implicitly rejected other immunities for those and other constitutional officers, by the legal principle “expressio unius est exclusio alterius”.

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Post by lostlogin »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #42

It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

It’s pretty incredible. NYT now:

“President Trump said on Saturday that he believed his relationship with Elon Musk was over after the two sparred publicly on social media this week, and he warned there would be “serious consequences” if Mr. Musk financed candidates to run against Republicans who voted in favor of the president’s domestic policy bill.”

So the president can decide who someone supports?

Two truly awful humans fighting it out.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bobxmax wrote: post #211
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #206

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That's naive and you know it. A massive drive for him was electing the first black president. A less, but still not-insignificant drive was for Hillary as the first female president.

Thats your opinion, Obama could have been white, and he still would have been voted for by 99.9% of those who voted for him. Young Kennedy-like candidates are rare (eg Bill Clinton and Barack Obama) but are incredibly electable when they show up.

Towards the end of his presidency, most of us forgot he was even black. Just those white southerners and a certain old guy in New York who were fixated on his race from the beginning still thought he was a DEI elect.

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