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Being fat is a trap

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Re: Being fat is a trap

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Like let's say all of a sudden wolves started getting super obese. What happened to wolves that they evolved for millions of years just fine, and then whoop all of a sudden they were all diabetic and obese?

What, do they need to try harder at being wolves?

This would be a useful analogy if humans were unable to think more abstractly than wolves.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

A real mystery indeed ... Or ... we are slowing moving towards some crescendo where all this enshittification is intertwined: cheap packaging, maliciously deceptive marketing, marketing EVERYWHERE, garbage food, exploited workers, etc. The "rant" about corporations are ruining everything is just real life now more than ever. Finding healthy food is difficult and getting more expensive. In general finding quality anything is getting more difficult and more expensive. All while we are bludgeoned with advertising that tells us the opposite.

The idea that one person could fight this battle day in and day out on their own if they just try harder seems comical at best. Feels like victim blaming to be honest and I hate it. Make healthy food easy to find, identify and buy and tax trash food because it is a burden on the community, just like actual pollution/cigarettes/etc.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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One of the pillars of weight loss is "eating right" as we all undoubtedly know. It's eating whole foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, fish and lean meat, and all that good stuff. If you ever go to a nutritionist they'll tell you that, and they may even give you recipes! But this is mostly an exercise in futility. Why? Because going to McDonalds tastes better. So people will revert and not solve their problem. Diets do…

> Because going to McDonalds tastes better. this is a problem for a some people however for many more people, the issue is affordability unhealthy food is cheap and widely available healthy food is more expensive and in some neighborhoods unavailable -- so there's the cost and effort of going somewhere where you can actually get it; food deserts are a real thing, while soda and chips vending machines are ubiquitous t…

Idk, McDonald's doesn't seem that cheap to me but I haven't been in quite some time. Food deserts are a real issue, but if you're driving to McDonald's you can just keep on driving to the grocery store IMO.

There's an educational piece, a motivational piece, and a marketing piece (you'll be like Lebron James if you eat Burger King!!! or whatever) and lots of other general barriers. But it's a problem that we can make progress toward.

Though with all this being said I had hoped to really convey the problem of nutrition advice which misses the component that matters the most which is cooking proficiency. You eat out because it tastes better, but it tastes better even if you could make the same thing at home, because you don't know how to cook or cook well enough.

(not you specifically of course :) )

Re: Being fat is a trap

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It takes the same amount of time to quit all sugary drinks and alcohol and only drink water for the rest of your life. It’s an extreme, but just doing that alone will save you a couple thousand calories a month. Fast food doesn’t necessarily mean high calorie either. Almost all fast food places have meals for under 600 calories, yes even McDonald’s.

Why do people always think fat people are drinking sugary drinks? I can't stand sugary drinks. I don't drink soda. I don't put sweetener in my coffee. I mostly drink water.

Because people drink an absurd quantity of their calories: https://www.healthyfoodamerica.org/sugary_drinks_in_america_...

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #229

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As a single almost 40yo overweight man I've gotta disagree. McDonald's doesn't taste better, it tastes worse, but what working adult has the time next to their day job to eat healthy? You have to be either 1. Rich enough to be able to spend a premium at restaurants for most of the week 2. Be rich enough to have a partner that doesn't have to work a 40-50h work week 3. Be rich enough to have a personal cook 4. Not wor…

People who say that they cannot cook on a 40h work week are just inefficient at cooking. It sucks to take a long time to prepare meals, but you will get faster. When you first start cooking for yourself you'll easily double the times online recipes say. As you get better at prep and more of an understanding you'll eventually reach their times. Dishes afterwards are included in this: most recipes have downtime that yo…

Yea I agree too. It really is a skill. The first few times you cook a dish you are reading a recipe maybe, oh whoops forgot to cut the celery, ugh this is stressful! but then by the end of a few attempts you start to get much better and much efficient at it.

I get that not everyone wants to cook though, but for those who do or want to eat healthier food you can do it and you WILL suck the first few times you cook anything because you're a human being and you haven't done it before.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #153

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A lot of people mentioning willpower but not as much attention is given to the fact that everything in our millions of years evolutionary design is biased toward heavy reward for caloric foods, and within the past 100 years we are suddenly in an environment where those cravings can be fulfilled in abundance.

Something being evolutionary is not an argument for anything. Just like something being natural isn't necessarily good for you. Sometimes I really really want to punch a certain coworker in the face, but I still don't, and that's despite the temptation by "evolutionary design".

I agree. I really like wearing shoes for example.

It's still worth noting everything in our programming wants us to consume sweet foods, but this is maladaptive in the modern world.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #229

One of the pillars of weight loss is "eating right" as we all undoubtedly know. It's eating whole foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, fish and lean meat, and all that good stuff. If you ever go to a nutritionist they'll tell you that, and they may even give you recipes! But this is mostly an exercise in futility. Why? Because going to McDonalds tastes better. So people will revert and not solve their problem. Diets do…

As a single almost 40yo overweight man I've gotta disagree. McDonald's doesn't taste better, it tastes worse, but what working adult has the time next to their day job to eat healthy? You have to be either 1. Rich enough to be able to spend a premium at restaurants for most of the week 2. Be rich enough to have a partner that doesn't have to work a 40-50h work week 3. Be rich enough to have a personal cook 4. Not wor…

Well you just have to prioritize, unfortunately.

If you want to lose weight - and part of my comment was a critique on nutritional advice and dieting - or save money or just cook for the enjoyment of it you have to make time to do that.

It's not easy. I work full-time and do other things. I'm tired. I don't want to drive to the grocery store. it's Friday I want to relax, etc. and sometimes I don't cook! But it's just another life choice to make and we can be better and more consistent over time and make improvements without going straight to 0 eating out.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #44

> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

>Certainly so many people can't be too weak to regulate one of the most basic facets of existence? How did we come all this way as a species if we are so fundamentally flawed at basic metabolic regulation? There have been fundamental shifts in CI and CO. Food went from fundamentally scarce and requiring effort to fairly abundant, and the effort to acquire keeps going down. Over the course of US history we have gone f…

This is all great. It also helps to drink a lot of water.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #153
post #44

> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

A lot of people mentioning willpower but not as much attention is given to the fact that everything in our millions of years evolutionary design is biased toward heavy reward for caloric foods, and within the past 100 years we are suddenly in an environment where those cravings can be fulfilled in abundance.

> ... "within the past 100 years we are suddenly in an environment where those cravings can be fulfilled in abundance."

And an environment where a massive completely out of control advertising industry that's injected into pretty much everything these days abuses every psychological trick in the book to capitalize on those evolutionary cravings.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #229

One of the pillars of weight loss is "eating right" as we all undoubtedly know. It's eating whole foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, fish and lean meat, and all that good stuff. If you ever go to a nutritionist they'll tell you that, and they may even give you recipes! But this is mostly an exercise in futility. Why? Because going to McDonalds tastes better. So people will revert and not solve their problem. Diets do…

As a single almost 40yo overweight man I've gotta disagree. McDonald's doesn't taste better, it tastes worse, but what working adult has the time next to their day job to eat healthy? You have to be either 1. Rich enough to be able to spend a premium at restaurants for most of the week 2. Be rich enough to have a partner that doesn't have to work a 40-50h work week 3. Be rich enough to have a personal cook 4. Not wor…

Unless you’re working 16h per day, every day, you have time to cook. There are many things that are very easy to cook and don’t even take that much effort, but people just refuse to learn how to use the tools they have.

All you need is an oven and some baking pans, and you can easily make a well balanced meal in less than an hour. Roasted chicken, potatoes, vegetables. Done. There’s only a little bit of prep, then it’s mostly waiting.

The biggest impact of industrialized food companies is not their poor products, it’s that they convinced everyone that cooking is too hard.

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