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Being fat is a trap

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Re: Being fat is a trap

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You live in an imaginary world. > We are progeny of the winners, the tenacious, the survivors, the killers. You are a progeny of a chance, nothing more.

People who don't have the will to live die. And they usually don't procreate, especially under adverse conditions.

Whether you live under adverse conditions or not is essentially a matter of luck. It's a variant of the birth lottery problem.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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One of the pillars of weight loss is "eating right" as we all undoubtedly know. It's eating whole foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, fish and lean meat, and all that good stuff.

If you ever go to a nutritionist they'll tell you that, and they may even give you recipes!

But this is mostly an exercise in futility. Why? Because going to McDonalds tastes better. So people will revert and not solve their problem. Diets don't work, and new fad diets come out, and the industry cycle continues.

The problem with diets and lifestyle changes that are proposed in common social discourse is that we are always missing the most important step which is teaching citizens how to cook. As a nation I wish we would spend more time focusing on good culinary skills, and that is an investment that would pay dividends not only in healthier waistlines, but also in an increased interest in the quality of our food and produce.

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A lot of people mentioning willpower but not as much attention is given to the fact that everything in our millions of years evolutionary design is biased toward heavy reward for caloric foods, and within the past 100 years we are suddenly in an environment where those cravings can be fulfilled in abundance.

A modern diet is a restrictive diet. We live in a time when half of our produced food is thrown away. That's why veganism makes so much sense nowadays. Nothing about the modern diet is "natural" for most people. Meat was awesome when calories were sparse/intermittent. Now it's just excess for the sake of a status symbol. Same can be said about a lot of our foods.

>We live in a time when half of our produced food is thrown away.

I don't see how this is a relevant fact. If we threw away 10x the food does that make our diet even more unhealthy? Moreover if technological innovations like refrigeration decreases food waste, does that magically make our diet healthy again?

>That's why veganism makes so much sense nowadays. Nothing about the modern diet is "natural" for most people.

>Meat was awesome when calories were sparse/intermittent. Now it's just excess for the sake of a status symbol. Same can be said about a lot of our foods.

If you turn back the clock even more (ie. pre-agriculture), you'd probably see the reverse (ie. more meat consumption).

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> Just do it. No excuses. This just sounds like you got brainwashed by Nike ("advertising signs that con / you into thinking..."). I'm not a person who makes excuses, and I'm not making excuses here. I'm not even obese. I'm just observing phenomena. And the question I want to know is how is it that so many humans, who came this far evolutionarily, are all of a sudden so messed up? I mean, literally every single perso…

What happened? My morbidly obese coworker eats almost an entire pizza for lunch. That's really the whole thing summed up. We allowed the normalization of incredibly calorie and sugar dense foods. We got kids hooked on the diet young. We made cartoons showing that kids hate vegetables while demonizing Michelle Obama got wanting good meals. At some point, the social pressures got removed. Being severely overweight and…

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Re: Being fat is a trap

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I think is just simply to diet and culture take this quick video as example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg3Y3tCmBWo the different portion size is ridiculous and now you compare it to serving size from asian country, you would find it very hard to get fat at this places and I mean it, even if you get fat its nowhere near american fat

As someone that moved to the US somewhat recently.. the portion sizes here still blow my mind. My girlfriend orders chinese food and makes 3-4 meals out of it

+ food is viewed strongly as entertainment here

+ everything is very noticably sweeter or saltier than I'm used to. So many brands of plain bread taste like cake!

I very much sympathize with americans that are pushed by their environment to be overweight

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

A lot of people mentioning willpower but not as much attention is given to the fact that everything in our millions of years evolutionary design is biased toward heavy reward for caloric foods, and within the past 100 years we are suddenly in an environment where those cravings can be fulfilled in abundance.

Something being evolutionary is not an argument for anything. Just like something being natural isn't necessarily good for you.

Sometimes I really really want to punch a certain coworker in the face, but I still don't, and that's despite the temptation by "evolutionary design".

Re: Being fat is a trap

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One of the pillars of weight loss is "eating right" as we all undoubtedly know. It's eating whole foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, fish and lean meat, and all that good stuff. If you ever go to a nutritionist they'll tell you that, and they may even give you recipes! But this is mostly an exercise in futility. Why? Because going to McDonalds tastes better. So people will revert and not solve their problem. Diets do…

I tend to agree. It's pretty easy to have cooking skills that out pace the trouble of driving, waiting, and ultimately only kind of enjoying fast food.

The advice I give people when rarely solicited, is that you work all day to ensure you have food and shelter. 1/3 work, 1/3 food, 1/3 shelter. If you routinely don't have time to cook and enjoy your food -- frankly, what are you doing with you life? Planning a menu, shopping for groceries, cooking meals, these things should take up your time! It's what you need to be doing. That's the point of this all!

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Accountability for putting food in your mouth. And then claiming it's not your fault. It 100% is.

Of course it's your "fault", obviously. But why do you think so many people are so messed up then?

I see it the same as with alcohol, tobacco and other substances. Lack of self-control. Modern food is specifically engineered to be addictive and easy to get. Full of starch, sugars and fats.

There will be no obesity if person maintains a low calorie intake.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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One of the pillars of weight loss is "eating right" as we all undoubtedly know. It's eating whole foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, fish and lean meat, and all that good stuff. If you ever go to a nutritionist they'll tell you that, and they may even give you recipes! But this is mostly an exercise in futility. Why? Because going to McDonalds tastes better. So people will revert and not solve their problem. Diets do…

As a single almost 40yo overweight man I've gotta disagree.

McDonald's doesn't taste better, it tastes worse, but what working adult has the time next to their day job to eat healthy?

You have to be either

1. Rich enough to be able to spend a premium at restaurants for most of the week

2. Be rich enough to have a partner that doesn't have to work a 40-50h work week

3. Be rich enough to have a personal cook

4. Not work and get by via other avenues.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #227

One of the pillars of weight loss is "eating right" as we all undoubtedly know. It's eating whole foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, fish and lean meat, and all that good stuff. If you ever go to a nutritionist they'll tell you that, and they may even give you recipes! But this is mostly an exercise in futility. Why? Because going to McDonalds tastes better. So people will revert and not solve their problem. Diets do…

I tend to agree. It's pretty easy to have cooking skills that out pace the trouble of driving, waiting, and ultimately only kind of enjoying fast food. The advice I give people when rarely solicited, is that you work all day to ensure you have food and shelter. 1/3 work, 1/3 food, 1/3 shelter. If you routinely don't have time to cook and enjoy your food -- frankly, what are you doing with you life? Planning a menu, s…

Completely agree - we focus on spending time rushing to get food and things so we can get back home and spend time scrolling, but we should actually be spending time, in my humble opinion, cooking and enjoying life. I think over the long-term people in America will recognize this more and more.

Also, after a while you realize at least outside of some dishes like maybe ramen or something like that, you can cook day-to-day better than just about anywhere you can go out to eat. It also makes you appreciate really good restaurants a bit more too. At least that has been my experience.

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