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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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> Elon is not a generous guy Why would he be?

It's kind of a "life arc" that gets fulfilled when you've done it all and have all the money in the world, and reach a certain age. It's a very traditional arc for a humane human being.

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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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> If there were no copyright protection, these works wouldn't have been created. Citation needed. You can freely copy and distribute linux and it still got made.

Linux is generally a functional tool, and struggles with overall coherence. There are far fewer success stories of artworks being made in this style. (E.g. there are successful multiplayer open-source games or clones of existing games, but very few original single-player games, and those that there are are largely the work of a single individual)

Linux is both a kernel (which is under GPL), and an operating system, whose other components are under a variety of licenses (and you can pick and match which components you want).

That's why some people like to call it 'Gnu/Linux', but thanks to recent advances we can make Gnu-free Linuxes today, too.

> There are far fewer success stories of artworks being made in this style. (E.g. there are successful multiplayer open-source games or clones of existing games, but very few original single-player games, and those that there are are largely the work of a single individual)

Humans have made art since forever. Large collaborative efforts like eg a cathedral are a more recent invention. But by these standards copyright was practically invented yesterday.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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It's kind of a "life arc" that gets fulfilled when you've done it all and have all the money in the world, and reach a certain age. It's a very traditional arc for a humane human being.

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That API was already reasonable before he took over Twitter. It was prohibitively priced afterward. You are making arguments out of things where there is objective proof otherwise. Anyways, I think he cut aid programs and fired a bunch of people too. That's a whole nother' matter though (I'll drop the whole holistic argument).

For example the firehose/streaming API more or less require 5 grand a month, so off limits to a indie dev. Does he not even have solidarity with developers?

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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If you want a point, BSD is probably a better example. Linux is protected by copyright, that's what makes copyleft licenses like GPL possible. BSD is also protected by copyright, but it matters less for permissive licenses. It still protects attribution (so you can't claim it yours), but it probably would have worked without it, unlike with Linux that is for a big part defined by the "copyleft" protections offered by…

> It still protects attribution (so you can't claim it yours), but it probably would have worked without it, [...] Well, you could imagine a world that protects the 'moral' rights of authors like attribution, but doesn't otherwise prohibit anyone from duplicating or modifying works.

I don't know about the US but in French "droits d'auteur", moral rights are treated differently from exploitation rights. In particular, they cannot be waived, they cannot be sold, and there is no "work-for-hire". For example, even as an employee, every line of code you write will be yours until you die and nothing can change that. You may not be allowed to do anything with it (for example because the exploitation rights go to your employer), but it is still yours.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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this would void the copyrights of your citizens and companies essentially forever

Iran enforces domestic copyright internally but not international copyright.

North Korea has it two way: they don't enforce international copyrights inside North Korea, and they don't enforce North Korean copyrights outside North Korea.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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> If an artist or author can't do this, social media shouldn't be able to do it either. Even if this is done, the case of starving artist v. megacorp will probably go to whoever wields the most money and lawyers. To add insult to injury, the artist’s opponent is fueled by their ill-gotten gains.

This is dependent on country. USA, yes with their draconian methods. Countries like the UK, the looser of the suit pays all the cost. UK layers have no problem taking low wealth client cases they know will win. UK allows for David vs Goliath and David to win. US up lifts Goliath as a God.

However the loser pays vs. both parties pay isn't uniform across all possible lawsuit types even in America or in England. Adding to that, even in loser pays regimes, both parties have to pay upfront and then the winner is refunded the costs.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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X/Twitter has became extremely prohibitive with just about everything since Elon took over. Their API pricing was antagonistic toward even indie developers. Elon is not a generous guy.

> Elon is not a generous guy Why would he be?

> Elon is not a generous guy

Why would he be?

Why shouldn't he be?

He has 10x more of everything in the world than he could ever possibly use in his lifetime.

Greed is not a virtue.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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That's a wild reference! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk > Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment which states there could be an otherwise benevolent artificial superintelligence (AI) in the future that would punish anyone who knew of its potential existence but did not directly contribute to its advancement or development, in order to incentivize said advancement.

It's Pascal's Wager with a sci-fi reskin, and all the objections that go along with that.

No it is not. Pascal was not making an objective argument for why someone should believe. He was making an argument for why he believed (based on personal religious experiences that he had had).
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