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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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It would be interesting to have a "classical AI model", trained on the contents of the Harvard libraries before 1926 and now out of copyright.

I've similarly wondered if I could get a pre-2024 Wikipedia if just for the "fact based" flavor LLM

What happened to wikipedia in 2024?

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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It would be interesting to have a "classical AI model", trained on the contents of the Harvard libraries before 1926 and now out of copyright.

I've similarly wondered if I could get a pre-2024 Wikipedia if just for the "fact based" flavor LLM

Do you think Wikipedia starting in '24 was polluted by AI slop? This is certainly possible, I'm just not aware of it happening.

Wikipedia periodically publishes database dumps and the Internet Archive stores old versions: https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22enwiki%22%20AN...

Plus you could also grab the latest and just read the 12/31/23 revisions.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

they can't a 50 year minimum is part of the berne convention, which itself is as close to a universal law as humanity has (even North Korea is a signatory)

The current US copyright duration is 70 years after the life of the author. This is absolutely bonkers. 50 years from publication would be a significant improvement. 50 years ago was 1975. If copyright were limited to 50 years, we'd be looking at all of the Beatles works being in the public domain. We'd be midway though Led Zeppelin, and a lot of the best work from Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones. Also, Superman, B…

> If there were no copyright protection, these works wouldn't have been created.

Citation needed. You can freely copy and distribute linux and it still got made.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current US copyright duration is 70 years after the life of the author. This is absolutely bonkers. 50 years from publication would be a significant improvement. 50 years ago was 1975. If copyright were limited to 50 years, we'd be looking at all of the Beatles works being in the public domain. We'd be midway though Led Zeppelin, and a lot of the best work from Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones. Also, Superman, B…

> If there were no copyright protection, these works wouldn't have been created. Citation needed. You can freely copy and distribute linux and it still got made.

The GP wasn't referring to DRM or DMCA type "copyright protection" as the phrase is typically used. Nobody in this thread has mentioned any of that.

The GP is referring to legal protections, and guess what?

Linux is legally protected by copyright!

Linux is legally protected by copyright!

Linux is legally protected by copyright!

Nearly every GPL license--every one that we could name--protects a copyrighted work! Nearly every GFDL, AGPL, LGPL protects works by means of copyright law!

Can you imagine that? So do the Apache license, the BSD licenses, the MIT license! Creative Commons (except for CC0) these licenses are legally protecting copyrighted works. Thank you!

Now everyone who proposes to draw down limits on copyright coverage and reduce the length of terms and limit Disney from their Mouse rights, y'all are also proposing the same limits on GPL software, such as Linux, and nearly every work with a license from the above list -- all of Wikimedia Commons, much of Flickr.com, all your beloved F/OSS software will be subject to the same limitations and the same restrictions you want to put on Paramount and the RIAA's labels.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current US copyright duration is 70 years after the life of the author. This is absolutely bonkers. 50 years from publication would be a significant improvement. 50 years ago was 1975. If copyright were limited to 50 years, we'd be looking at all of the Beatles works being in the public domain. We'd be midway though Led Zeppelin, and a lot of the best work from Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones. Also, Superman, B…

> Disney would still profit from the MCU films which they produced in the 2010's, but they couldn't stop you from releasing your own Batman vs Spider-Man story. Wouldn't they still have a trademark on those characters though?

The trademark on characters is related to selling goods, if the character is used as a way of identifying an authentic seller.

So, if Disney is using mickey mouse on t-shirts to identify it as a Disney manufactured t-shirt, you wouldn't be allowed to use mickey mouse on t-shirts in a similar fashion in a way that might cause consumer confusion about who manufactured the t-shirt.

If Wolverine was in the public domain, then they couldn't use a Wolverine trademark to stop you from selling a Wolverine comic book. However, if they used a _specific_ Wolverine mark to identify it as a Disney Wolverine book, then you'd be restricted from using that.

Basically, trademark exists to prevent consumer confusion about who is the creator that is selling a good.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current US copyright duration is 70 years after the life of the author. This is absolutely bonkers. 50 years from publication would be a significant improvement. 50 years ago was 1975. If copyright were limited to 50 years, we'd be looking at all of the Beatles works being in the public domain. We'd be midway though Led Zeppelin, and a lot of the best work from Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones. Also, Superman, B…

> If there were no copyright protection, these works wouldn't have been created. Citation needed. You can freely copy and distribute linux and it still got made.

Linux has used the GPL to its advantage. That can not exist without copyright. (The two camps in copyright discussions, improving it e.g. CC, or destroy it)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current US copyright duration is 70 years after the life of the author. This is absolutely bonkers. 50 years from publication would be a significant improvement. 50 years ago was 1975. If copyright were limited to 50 years, we'd be looking at all of the Beatles works being in the public domain. We'd be midway though Led Zeppelin, and a lot of the best work from Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones. Also, Superman, B…

> If there were no copyright protection, these works wouldn't have been created. Citation needed. You can freely copy and distribute linux and it still got made.

Linux is generally a functional tool, and struggles with overall coherence. There are far fewer success stories of artworks being made in this style. (E.g. there are successful multiplayer open-source games or clones of existing games, but very few original single-player games, and those that there are are largely the work of a single individual)
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