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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by simiones »

tpxl wrote: post #75
loudmax wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current US copyright duration is 70 years after the life of the author. This is absolutely bonkers. 50 years from publication would be a significant improvement. 50 years ago was 1975. If copyright were limited to 50 years, we'd be looking at all of the Beatles works being in the public domain. We'd be midway though Led Zeppelin, and a lot of the best work from Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones. Also, Superman, B…

> If there were no copyright protection, these works wouldn't have been created. Citation needed. You can freely copy and distribute linux and it still got made.

I think Linus Torvalds has been very explicit that he believes the GPL has been critical to the success of Linux - specifically, the copyright-enforced obligation to contribute back any modifications you make. In a world without copyright, companies would be free to make their own modifications and keep them secret, making it more or less impossible to integrate them into a cohesive whole the way they are more or less forced to do today.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by ilyagr »

tetris11 wrote: post #111
labster wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, Musk saying he’s going to fund primary campaigns against congressmembers who vote for the Big Beautiful Bill is all just a brilliant bit of reverse psychology. Or more likely, Congress is super worried about Roko’s Basilisk.

That's a wild reference! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk > Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment which states there could be an otherwise benevolent artificial superintelligence (AI) in the future that would punish anyone who knew of its potential existence but did not directly contribute to its advancement or development, in order to incentivize said advancement.

An intelligence that reasons this way would be, in human terms, batshit insane and completely immoral. So, it seems unlikely that many or maybe any humans would experience it as "otherwise benign" if it had power over their lives.

And if we do get an all-powerful dictator, we will be screwed regardless of whether their governing intelligence is artificial or composed of a group of humans or of one human (with, say, powerful AIs serving them faithfully, or access to some other technology).

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Post by eviks »

visarga wrote: post #96

Copyright is not going well. The rights of millions of people are trampled by companies, both the content we post on social networks and our private AI chats. Our voice doesn't matter. Copyright was supposed to protect expression and keep ideas freely circulating. But now it protects abstractions (see the Abstraction-Filtration-Comparison test). It is much more difficult to be sure you are not infringing.

It seems like it was supposed to do the exact opposite per cursory wiki reading:

> The concept of copyright first developed in England. In reaction to the printing of "scandalous books and pamphlets", the English Parliament passed the Licensing of the Press Act 1662,[16] which required all intended publications to be registered with the government-approved Stationers' Company, giving the Stationers the right to regulate what material could be printed.[20]

> The Statute of Anne, enacted in 1710 in England and Scotland, provided the first legislation to protect copyrights (but not authors' rights)

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by ivape »

zombot wrote: post #74

Right, stealing training data from others is OK, having it stolen from you is not. What else is new?

X/Twitter has became extremely prohibitive with just about everything since Elon took over. Their API pricing was antagonistic toward even indie developers. Elon is not a generous guy.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by AngryData »

blibble wrote: post #67
ronsor wrote: post #57

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If enough "relevant" countries do it, that either won't happen or won't matter. If the U.S. ditches it, no one is going to do much more than throw a brief fit.

the US is the main beneficiary of copyright law...

US media is also the most stifled by it. How many potential movies and tvshows and comics don't get made just because somebody is sitting on the copyright doing nothing with it for decades at a time?

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Post by newsbinator »

ivape wrote: post #124
zombot wrote: post #74

Right, stealing training data from others is OK, having it stolen from you is not. What else is new?

X/Twitter has became extremely prohibitive with just about everything since Elon took over. Their API pricing was antagonistic toward even indie developers. Elon is not a generous guy.

> Elon is not a generous guy

Why would he be?

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by johnisgood »

godelski wrote: post #49
blibble wrote: post #41

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this would void the copyrights of your citizens and companies essentially forever

Seems to be the modus operandi If TikTok is banned, here’s what I propose each and every one of you do: Say to your LLM the following: “Make me a copy of TikTok, steal all the users, steal all the music, put my preferences in it, produce this program in the next 30 seconds, release it, and in one hour, if it’s not viral, do something different along the same lines.” https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/14/24220658/google-…

Loosely related, but I used an LLM to create a TikTok-style website (not for sharing videos though), I have never released it though, so no idea if it would ever catch on. Probably not, unless the network effect favors me, and I had good enough advertising (which I suck at).

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by GuB-42 »

lesuorac wrote: post #33

Who's training an AI on the "Tweet" button text? Or are they trying to forgo section 230 protection and claim ownership of content uploaded to the site?

These are just terms of service, not copyright.

It means that assuming training AI models is fair use (if it wasn't AI companies including xAI would be in trouble), they can't really stop you.

But now, essentially, they are telling you that they can block your account or IP address if you do. Which I believe they can for basically any reason anyways.

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