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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by littlestymaar »

mgoetzke wrote: post #93
threeseed wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly the easter egg found in the Trump "Big Beautiful Bill" which prevents states from enacting AI regulations also came from Musk. That way he can continue to steal from others and lock competitors out whilst being comfortable knowing that no laws will be enacted to prevent it.

why do you think he is so evil but all others are benign ?

None of them are benign. He's the only one to have been in a government office though, and he's also batshit crazy, which makes him even more dangerous than the other oligarchs.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by littlestymaar »

blibble wrote: post #36
gausswho wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does surprise me that we haven't seen nations revise their copyright window back to something sensible in a play to seed their own nascent AI industry. The American founding fathers thought 20 years was enough. I'm sure there'd be repercussions in the banking system, but at some point it might be worth the trade.

they can't a 50 year minimum is part of the berne convention, which itself is as close to a universal law as humanity has (even North Korea is a signatory)

The Bern Convention on Copyright is an international convention, like the Treaty of Versailles or the Paris Agreement, it could meet the same fate.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

unstablediffusi wrote: post #46
blibble wrote: post #10

wish I could change my terms to bar training of AI models on my content

if that is any consolation, no one gives a shit about xitter's ToS either. it will continue to be scrapped by every major player.

How exactly is it being scraped? My understanding is Twitter and LinkedIn are both huge pains in the ass to scrape right now.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by petesergeant »

soulofmischief wrote: post #56
baseballdork wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The burden is on the user to show that it is fair use, no? Not everyone else's responsibility to prove that it's _not_ fair use.

It is definitely the responsibility of anyone suing someone who trained a model on copyrighted data to prove that it isn't fair use, they have to show how it violated law, and while it's in the best interest of those organizations to make things easier for the court by showing why it is fair use, they are technically innocent until proven guilty. Accordingly, anyone on the internet who wants to make comments about ho…

> It is definitely the responsibility of anyone suing someone who trained a model on copyrighted data to prove that it isn't fair use

Morally, perhaps, but not under US law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_defense#Fair_use

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by mattkevan »

tpxl wrote: post #75
loudmax wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current US copyright duration is 70 years after the life of the author. This is absolutely bonkers. 50 years from publication would be a significant improvement. 50 years ago was 1975. If copyright were limited to 50 years, we'd be looking at all of the Beatles works being in the public domain. We'd be midway though Led Zeppelin, and a lot of the best work from Pink Floyd and the Rolling Stones. Also, Superman, B…

> If there were no copyright protection, these works wouldn't have been created. Citation needed. You can freely copy and distribute linux and it still got made.

Most of the classic Disney films are based on public domain stories.

If there were copyright, those works wouldn’t have been created.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by [deleted] »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #103
unstablediffusi wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if that is any consolation, no one gives a shit about xitter's ToS either. it will continue to be scrapped by every major player.

How exactly is it being scraped? My understanding is Twitter and LinkedIn are both huge pains in the ass to scrape right now.

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Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by labster »

threeseed wrote: post #92
zombot wrote: post #74

Right, stealing training data from others is OK, having it stolen from you is not. What else is new?

Almost certainly the easter egg found in the Trump "Big Beautiful Bill" which prevents states from enacting AI regulations also came from Musk. That way he can continue to steal from others and lock competitors out whilst being comfortable knowing that no laws will be enacted to prevent it.

Yep, Musk saying he’s going to fund primary campaigns against congressmembers who vote for the Big Beautiful Bill is all just a brilliant bit of reverse psychology.

Or more likely, Congress is super worried about Roko’s Basilisk.

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by thih9 »

I think the rules should be stricter.

I’d prefer an explicit opt in from the content author being required for anyone to perform any model training with any given data.

Alternatively, require all weights, prompts and chat logs to have the same visibility as the original datasets.

None of this is going to happen and current decisions about uncopyrightable ai[1] are already good; but still, it feels like there is room for abuse.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9%C3%A2tre_D%27op%C3%...

Re: X changes its terms to bar training of AI models using its content

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Post by dreghgh »

blibble wrote: post #41
ronsor wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can also just ignore the berne convention, and accept whatever consequences there might be

this would void the copyrights of your citizens and companies essentially forever

Iran enforces domestic copyright internally but not international copyright.
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