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If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard what you're describing phrase as follows: "If you want to know who truly values you, look for the people who would not be able to replace you with someone else." That usually has us pointing to friends and family, with the odd exception.

I'm not sure this is a reliable guide. I'm in academia, and the people who really can't be replaced are the administrative staff with hard-won institutional knowledge and connections--but they're valued far less than splashy big-name faculty with no institutional loyalty.

Why would administrative staff ever be valued over the people providing the core purpose of the institution?

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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I feel like "useful" and "valued" are very poor terms for the situations described in the article. I think a much better explanation is that just because you may excel in one role (and be recognized as such) does not necessarily mean you'll excel in another role. And heck, I think it's important to recognize these qualities and limitations in yourself . Calling this being "useful" or "valued" puts an emotional/moral…

The piece is good but I think the primary segmentation is not 'useful' vs 'valued', it is strategic vs. tactical.

The author actually realizes this but did not nail this idea to the church door as part of his manifesto.

      >Being valued, on the other hand, means that you are brought into
      >more conversations, not just to execute, but to help shape the
      > direction. This comes with opportunities to grow and contribute
      > in ways that are meaningful to you and the business.
The first part is not being 'valued'; this is being a 'useful strategically'.

The second part - "opportunities to grow and contribute in ways that are meaningful to you and the business." - that is being 'valued strategically'

      > Being useful means that you are good at getting things done in a
      > specific area, so that people above you can delegate that
      > completely. You are reliable, efficient, maybe even
      > indispensable in the short term. But you are seen primarily as a gap-filler,
      > someone who delivers on tasks that have to be done but are not
      > necessarily a core component of the company strategy. “Take care
      > of that and don’t screw up” is your mission, and the fewer
      > headaches you create for your leadership chain, the bigger the rewards.
The first is not being 'useful'; this is being a 'useful tactically'.

The second part, "Take care of that and don’t screw up” is your mission, and the fewer headaches you create for your leadership chain, the bigger the rewards." is being 'valued tactically'.

So, the theory is every member of staff is dropped BOTH a 'useful' and 'valued' bucket for tactical work and for strategic work.

ie: - one can be useful or not useful for strategic or tactical work or both - one can be valued or not valued for strategic or tactical work or both

A couple of counterpoints:

1. You can,unfortunately, be useful strategically and not be valued. Think about the hachet man every leader of a large organization has - the guy who does the layoffs. That slot is useful strategically but can be filled by almost anyone - it is not valued by the org.

2. You can, fortunately, be useful tactically, useless strategically, and be be very very valued in an organization. Best examples of this are folks who are very very good at running operations. Think about a good truck dispatcher, or a 911 operator or an air traffic controller. 90% of their job is effective tactical execution - dealing with this emerging situation right now effectively and efficiently. That is highly valuable to organizations.

Also note that every org needs strategy people and tactical people for long and short term.

One is not better than the other. They are just different.

And there are lots of very highly paid tactical roles, sometimes better paid, that are more challenging and more interesting than any strategy role.

These tend to be "do this or fix this thing right now efficiently and effectively" jobs.

For example, almost any practicing medial role is a tactical one - ER doctor (fix this sick person right now) or controllers for real time stuff - concert and live TV producers (make this thing look good right now), air traffic controllers (keep these planes safe right now) etc etc.

So, net net, pick you spot - tactical vs strategic or both, useful vs. valuable or both - get good at it and then may the odds always be in your favor.

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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I used to recognize this at my last job, pay was good but left searching for other opportunities where I felt valued in a team. Two years later and I've about burned through all my savings looking for any job at all. Seems like current market has decided my skills and connections are not enough. Fixing to just uber or something next month out of desperation. I used to make six figures. Turns out I decided to quit at…

> where I felt valued in a team. To quote Don Draper, “that’s what the money is for!” Find your meaning or value somewhere else not in your job and it will both be longer lasting and likely much deeper.

It would be nice, heck I would accept a 50% pay cut for a better team since I didn't even need all the money I was earning (except for my current survival I guess), money isn't what it's about to me so long as I can feed myself, but my job hunt now isn't really about team value anymore. It's not something I can afford to think about when any job has to do for the rent. I could go back to stocking shelves if the next data entry thing I feel over skilled for doesn't get back to me

I like my hobbies, just I can't pretend to enjoy them all day when my current lifestyle has been unsustainable for so long. It was easier start of the job drought and I could do whatever I wanted and it felt nice, picked up some (unmarketable but fun) skills. Now it's all caught up to me.

"At least the gig economy is an option" is a thought that appeared in my head recently

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually don't agree, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise. I posit that there's an employer expectation that every employee will be "useful", but utility is a fungible characteristic and the majority of managers and employers treat job descriptions of standardized roles just like that. Employees in those roles are susceptible to both replacement and career advancement, depending how "useful" they are, and how…

> Lots of fresh grads and junior staff focus 99% on being useful, but career advancement beyond the first one or two promotions depends MUCH more on being valued. “People don’t remember who went to grab drinks on a Tuesday, but they’ll remember who helped them close a million dollar deal and get a huge bonus” Give your coworkers superpowers and opportunities will flow.

I think both of these things can be true at the same time - the issue with a lot of utility-based value is that it often comes in the form of unsustainable heroism. My capacity to feed back interesting thoughts about product and strategy in domains I'm familiar with is probably greater than your capacity or desire to consume them, but my capacity to do various forms of high-precision grunt work (set up configurations for clients, misc. project work, ship XYZ feature into the product) is much easier to consume and ultimately overload.

Closing that million dollar deal as a sprint might be memorable, but being the go-to configurator for Azure cloud services isn't, and the difference between heroic level systems management and mediocre button clicker requires hard squinting if you're non-technical. Hell, I'm technical and would struggle to tell the difference just because IT isn't usually my domain.

And if the person you're working with has no appreciation of what an average performance is, any mistake will be seen as a defect even if what you're doing is otherwise heroic.

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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I guess the point is that the ~slaves~ paid laborers that built the pyramids were "useful", but the people that told them what shape to build were "valued"? Tools are useful but ultimately can be thrown in the trash. Valuable things must be preserved and treated with respect. Strategic thinkers and VCs are treasured, but workers and ICs are dispensable. This is just a lot of words to imply a moral hierarchy around so…

I completely understand the allure of this line of thinking, but a better way to quantify this is people who are collecting a paycheck vs. people who are taking on risk.

I have noticed as I got older that many paycheck collectors are totally unaware of risk (as I was), likely because it plays no part in there day to day life. They are hyper-focused on the minority whose bets paid off and got obscenely wealthy, and totally unaware of the massive graveyard of those who incinerated their life savings. Hell it's not uncommon for a business to collapse because of honest mistakes made by the paycheck collectors, who upon the business closing just went and got another job, maybe after being on unemployment for a bit. For the risk takers, I can tell you that unemployment checks don't cover lost equity.

The rub here is that the paycheck collectors also highly value the "good" risk takers. Most people, given the opportunity, would put their money into a fund managed by someone with an excellent track record.

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought I had one, turned in my notice but they rescinded offer a week later for no obvious reason and went hiring freeze. Was about the exact point when the market started inclining couple of years ago. Still think if I had interviewed a month before I would have got the position Been jobless ever since. I blame my self for it, for not having the insight. Consequences were severe

No, you should blame the company that rescinded the offer! Now it's probably too late but, did you try talking again with your former manager to see if you could get back your old job, after the offer was rescinded?

That was a while ago sadly, I just decided to learn my lesson and move on. Tough to square with the loss of my savings but is what it is

Kept up my certs and all, still do tech stuff all them time, think I'll have a job even if it's minimum wage and underemployment at some point

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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If you're employed, you're probably valued and useful in some respect.

I think a much more important question is: what are you being valued for and does that fit with your goals?

A person who wants to build skills to take on the world's most challenging problems probably doesn't want to be valued for their ability to grind on the tedious tasks or because they look good in marketing materials, for example.

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was reading that and thinking "some people are never happy". I mean, they got a nice job, nice compensation, recognition... the only thing missing, apparently, was that they were not part of the company's "strategy team"? In my experience, you can be the smartest person in the world, if the company already has a small strategy team (or top management) that is pulling all the strings and they're happy with that setu…

If you are happy being a worker bee it's great. If you want to take on more responsibility and have a seat at the table, it feels like you're being treated with kiddy gloves. A lot of the kind of work the author mentions is done with the expectation that it will translate into more responsibility or influence at some point. If the company said "you're a great developer, but you'll never be more than that" the author…

This is explicit strategy companies use. To be expected

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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What is also useful to keep in mind is the tendency to recreate your primary family life in the workplace. So if you had critical controlling parents who never valued you and everything you ever did was worthless, then you'll tend to select for those places and it is often done outside of awareness. Was your primary family spent being valued and appreciated? Then you'll select for that and when people start to not va…

I'll add to the general consensus here that this is an extremely valuable comment. At least for me it closely resonates with things I am only now discovering, at an age close to 40; the (in)ability to set and guard boundaries is super dependent upon early life and upbringing.

Thanks for articulating this so clearly.

Re: If you are useful, it doesn't mean you are valued

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If you earn some dough and are treated somewhat nice you have already hit the jackpot. Don’t give up a perfectly good job just because you have power fantasy issues. You will always be a worker bee, that’s just how the world is set up. Someone or something will own your ass regardless of your compensation structure.

I'm pretty sure people living off capital don't have that problem. It just won't be you.
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