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US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

ethbr1 wrote: post #46
exceptione wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But Trump's Base decided for Trump about this issue. Trump leads from behind on this one. 1. The base doesn't decide out of thin air, the USA audience have been primed for decades with `government = bad` (anything `social = bad` really). We have evidence of orchestrated anti covid campaigns on Twitter, but the soil was well prepared for it. 2. Trump always leads from behind. He is allowed some personal space and he…

Vaccine skepticism (and the broader medical skepticism) is a weird one though. Because it's patently counterproductive -- modern medical science saves lives. So what you really have is a bunch of people getting riled up about something because they don't currently need it, then making dumb choices at critical moments, then denying their actions caused consequences if they have bad luck. A partner was a critical care…

> Vaccine skepticism (and the broader medical skepticism) is a weird one though.

I don't think we have effective language to talk about this stuff.

You saying "vaccine skepticism" (or the real boogey man, anti-vaxxer) could mean anything from person who thinks the Jews are injecting microchips into us all, all the way to a person who has gotten all sorts of vaccines except for specifically the mRNA ones.

Obviously, these two people are very different cases.

In a discussion about cars, someone could say they wouldn't buy a Ford, and nobody feels the compulsion to call them anti-car. (And they probably actually understand some details about the car beyond eli5 marketing materials. Perhaps that explains it).

Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by jghn »

nailer wrote: post #60
jghn wrote: post #52

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Vaccines are designed to reduce likelihood of contracting disease and/or reduce the effects of disease if contracted. The COVID vaccines did both of these things Vaccines are never perfect barriers. It's better to think in terms of population scales. if enough people are vaccinated against a disease, then most of the people who would have contracted it will not. And that means a large reduction in the amount of that…

> Vaccines are designed to reduce likelihood of contracting disease and/or reduce the effects of disease if contracted. You previously stated "(Vaccines being supposed to prevent Covid) was never the case." It sounds like you are claiming that vaccines prevented transmission of Covid at acceptable rates but you've provided no supporting arguments. > Vaccines are never perfect barriers. This is a straw man. Nobody in…

To be clear, your claim is that COVID vaccines did not reduce likelihood of infection? It's not clear exactly what point you're trying to make here. Were they completely ineffective? Not effective enough for your tastes? If the latter, what degree of likelihood reduction is your bar?

It's not hard to find literature demonstrating a reduction in infection rate [1]

[1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by insane_dreamer »

The critical thing is that part of the funding was for additional clinical studies, which is exactly what is needed to determine efficacy / safety, and answer lingering scientific questions.

I guess mRNA vaccines are "woke" now (or maybe they always were, dunno).

More stupidity.

Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by leoh »

mike_hearn wrote: post #62
leoh wrote: post #40

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Fortunately, Moderna is well capitalized and will likely find ways to continue development of said vaccine if the risks (financial, health-wise, etc.) are outweighed by anticipated benefits; this is one of the advantages of capitalistic systems. That said, certainly, yes, cancelling a contract like this is not ideal.

Nope. Moderna's share price and general outlook has flatlined at its pre-2020 levels a long time ago. They have no products, they aren't well capitalized and they might liquidate at some point. This vaccine was a no-hoper like all other Moderna's products. That's why the article says: "Shares of Moderna were flat in after-market trading." The smart money wasn't surprised because this was never going to make it to mar…

They currently have a market cap of $10B.

Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by Aloisius »

leoh wrote: post #75
mike_hearn wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Moderna's share price and general outlook has flatlined at its pre-2020 levels a long time ago. They have no products, they aren't well capitalized and they might liquidate at some point. This vaccine was a no-hoper like all other Moderna's products. That's why the article says: "Shares of Moderna were flat in after-market trading." The smart money wasn't surprised because this was never going to make it to mar…

They currently have a market cap of $10B.

What does that have to do with well capitalized a company is?

It looks like Moderna have enough capital available to meet their obligations for a while, but they do appear to be burning through it.

Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by mike_hearn »

leoh wrote: post #75
mike_hearn wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Moderna's share price and general outlook has flatlined at its pre-2020 levels a long time ago. They have no products, they aren't well capitalized and they might liquidate at some point. This vaccine was a no-hoper like all other Moderna's products. That's why the article says: "Shares of Moderna were flat in after-market trading." The smart money wasn't surprised because this was never going to make it to mar…

They currently have a market cap of $10B.

They have a hangover of funds from the COVID times but not much income or investor interest compared to their burn rate.

Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by 542354234235 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #46
exceptione wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But Trump's Base decided for Trump about this issue. Trump leads from behind on this one. 1. The base doesn't decide out of thin air, the USA audience have been primed for decades with `government = bad` (anything `social = bad` really). We have evidence of orchestrated anti covid campaigns on Twitter, but the soil was well prepared for it. 2. Trump always leads from behind. He is allowed some personal space and he…

Vaccine skepticism (and the broader medical skepticism) is a weird one though. Because it's patently counterproductive -- modern medical science saves lives. So what you really have is a bunch of people getting riled up about something because they don't currently need it, then making dumb choices at critical moments, then denying their actions caused consequences if they have bad luck. A partner was a critical care…

>Vaccine skepticism (and the broader medical skepticism) is a weird one though.

We, as people, are much more sensitive to loss because of action over loss because of inaction. Doing nothing at the risk of getting sick sometime later doesn’t feel as risky as choosing to go take a product with risks, even though the risks are a million times lower than if you get sick. Taking a vaccine feels like you are doing something risky. It is distantly related to the trolley problem.

Re: US cancels funding for Moderna bird flu vaccine

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Post by [deleted] »

Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #32
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #28

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You just described working in cyber security. The difference is you're to blame if the disaster happens.

Trump is lauded for stopping the libs no matter what destructive & unnecessary actions he foments that hurt his supporters. It's a now daily exercise to see an article about huge Medicaid cuts planned in the stupid big bill that will hurt his supporters. Then there are the requisite quotes from people who voted for him, and are really concerned with lots of fraud in Medicaid AND are set to lose their just admitted cr…

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