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Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Can anyone help me find a specific HTML book? It was the first one I ever read, I've been looking for it on Amazon every few years and haven't found it yet.

It must have been released around 1995 or so. It used Mosaic browser throughout all the examples, which looked so different than the IE3 that I was using. There was a heavy focus on forms and controls. And it was hundreds of pages. Familiar to anyone?

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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This article put Nielsen in the corner of "technically correct", but the influence he had on me at least was a strong focus on "empirically correct". i.e. doing actual tests (with humans) on what kind of things work to convey information. He did this to the detriment of "looking good", which is why his stuff ended up looking "hopelessly outdated", but I think he was on the right side of the fight.

I didn't believe that Discount Usability Engineering was useful until we tried it. I was absolutely blown away by the results and have continued the practice for every design and re-design. Thank you Mr. Nielsen.

The old UseIt.com https://web.archive.org/web/19990125092506/http://useit.com/ will forever live rent-free in my brain.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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I always had more respect for Nielsen’s lineage of human-computer interaction than I did for Nielsen himself. At the time I remember thinking how neither designers nor classic HCI people (or programmers) really got the web. Nielsen was at least focused on the web, but the problem is that he was fixated on user expectations for a brand new medium without recognizing that it was early days and would inevitably evolve.…

Honestly, I believe that the Web would have been better had we stuck to those expectations more diligently and evolved more slowly and thoughtfully. That one can does not imply that one should. Blue links and purple visited links were fine. And now on most sites there is no differentiation, and it’s sometimes difficult to tell what is a link, and a lot of sites don’t even bother linking. This is not an improvement!

I don't disagree with the opinion, but what individual experts think does not factor in much when you have a groundswell of adoption like the web did. At that point people are going to hack whatever they can on top of it, and there are too many varied interests to have any central control, and so things just evolve well beyond the intent or control of any individual mind or architect.

For me, usability mattered a lot and I saw how a lot of the web design experimentation was falling short, but Nielsen was just too backwards looking. We needed forward thinking UX rooted specifically in web culture, and that's what we got through the Zeldmans, Veens, and 37signals of the era.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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This article put Nielsen in the corner of "technically correct", but the influence he had on me at least was a strong focus on "empirically correct". i.e. doing actual tests (with humans) on what kind of things work to convey information. He did this to the detriment of "looking good", which is why his stuff ended up looking "hopelessly outdated", but I think he was on the right side of the fight.

On the web, the user is rarely a monolith. For a lot of websites (as compared to, say, business software or automobiles), the user could be everyone and anyone. They may all have different mental models, expectations, abilities, etc.

This is important to keep in mind when focusing on user centered design for a general purpose website. You need a testing pool representative of your users (or who you want your user to be), you need to figure out what to do if there are conflicts among users, during testing, etc. It might be obvious, and you can probably still fit in into a framework, but what I'm getting at is that it is less empirical than it might seem at first pass. There is still an art to user centered design, and if you have this in mind, your designs don't have to look hopelessly outdated.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Another seminal book for me, was Web Pages That Suck . They actually used to throw shade on Creating Killer Web Sites . Lots of big egos, back then. I learned quite a bit from that book. I think Flanders may still have a site. I was on his mailing list, but I haven’t heard anything for the last decade or so.

That book was seminal for me too and is the genesis for where I am today. Flanders' accurate criticism of "mystery meat navigation" was incredibly influential for me and still reverberates in my mind when I think about usability issues.

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Teenage me thought there was NOTHING cooler than a flashy splash page and those micro bitmap fonts a la "silkscreen". Who am I kidding I still think it's awesome.

8pt Tahoma is the GOAT and I miss it desperately. I remember vividly when Windows (XP I think?) introduced a new kind of font smoothing that messed with the look of those fonts. In hindsight, I feel like that moment was part of the catalyst toward Web 2.0-style designs. Screens started to get bigger, sites became higher resolution as bandwidth increased, and the tiny pixel font started to be both less relevant (you c…

Search for Artwiz under Unix. Same feelings.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Yes, to be fair, Nielsen essentially has had the last laugh. Simple navigation, consistency, fast loading times, and ruthless minimalism, and the full Flash intro page is a relic.

The full flash intro page is only a relic because Apple dropped support for Flash. Now, so many designers have a full page video that play, and prevent text from loading until every bit of bloated JavaScript finishing downloading and executing. It's a different package, but it's the same junk.

My biggest pet peeve these days is a Nav Bar that takes up too much vertical space and follows when I scroll. Usually these are mobile-first designs, but especially on phone when I rotate to view more horizontal content using iPhone 13 I’ve got like two text lines visible!

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teenage me thought there was NOTHING cooler than a flashy splash page and those micro bitmap fonts a la "silkscreen". Who am I kidding I still think it's awesome.

8pt Tahoma is the GOAT and I miss it desperately. I remember vividly when Windows (XP I think?) introduced a new kind of font smoothing that messed with the look of those fonts. In hindsight, I feel like that moment was part of the catalyst toward Web 2.0-style designs. Screens started to get bigger, sites became higher resolution as bandwidth increased, and the tiny pixel font started to be both less relevant (you c…

8pt Tahoma, lowercase, and using colons for decoration, like this:

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