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US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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It’s not the end of this saga. Prior administrations, Republican and Democrat, have enacted tariffs without additional congressional approval.

True, though none have done it this aggressively and this aimlessly.

The Trumpist era can be defined by someone pushing the limits of power to see just how far they can go. It can also be defined by the importance of the bottom line. In this case the former threatens the latter, so there are forces gathering to actually push back.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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A plurality of Americans voted for this government, for better or worse. The courts are one of the primary avenues for the minority to express their will, but they move slowly, although slightly faster than congress.

They voted for an R. To be fair it is hard to argue that they voted for this government when Trump maintained he had nothing to do with these plans outlined in Project 2025 all through the campaign and his approval rating has plummeted as people understand the scope of what has happened.

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Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Oh, but isn't that law just for 'special military operations'? It's not proper 'war'? (I agree that in practice, a war is a war, whether your nation's laws officially call it as such or not doesn't make much of a difference.)

The last time America formally declared a war was 1942. Every war since then has been various shades of "special military operation". At least the American public does recognize them as wars, so there's that at least.

> At least the American public does recognize them as wars, so there's that at least.

I'm not sure this is accurate.

We have plenty of "wars" that aren't wars. Such as the annual "war on Christmas".

Do we recognize them as "wars"? Or do we just use the word?

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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The Biden admin not only kept the first Trump admin's China tariffs in place but significantly expanded them under the same law. Was Biden acting like a king or does this analogy only go one way? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-bi... https://web.archive.org/web/20250101032222/https://www.white... "[The Biden admin intends to use] executive authority"

In the linked Biden press release I see an announcement of tariff changes under section 301 and section 232. From today's article: >Other tariffs imposed under different powers, like so-called Section 232 and Section 301 levies, are unaffected, and include the tariffs on steel, aluminum and automobiles. It seems that Biden did not, at least in the instance you link to, do the thing that the courts have ruled against…

The administration has previously contemplated imposing duties under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, which allows for tariffs that counter unfair foreign trade practices. That is the provision Trump used to underpin his first term tariffs on China and is considered to be on firmer legal footing than IEEPA. So they'll likely just use that justification going forward.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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I'm a little worried about this. This president may take out this setback on innocent people. I don't think it's out of the question that he may start a war.

In the US the president doesn't have the authority to start a war. Congress has the exclusive power to declare wars per the constitution.) (Obviously, in practice that's about as relevant congress having the sole authority over taxes, including tariffs.)

Starting a war and declaring a war are not the same thing. The president absolutely has the power to start wars.

If you call a dog’s tail a leg, how many legs does it have?

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Not saying this is good or bad, but this doesn’t seem surprising. Isn’t the point of our government structure to stop any one person from acting like a king. I’m surprised it took this long.

Checks and balances are good things. Hopefully we see more.

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