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Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by profsummergig »

Spooky23 wrote: post #38

It will be interesting to hear what Justice Thomas’s supine justification will be for attacking the ruling. The catalyst for the American Revolution was the imposition of taxation (tariffs) without representation. The irony that the party of performative patriotism, with a conservative court, control of the presidency is so spineless that they are afraid to stand and vote for their policy is too afraid to attach thei…

This would fit the standard of taxation with representation. Both Trump and Congress are elected, via a representative democratic process.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by Spooky23 »

0xy wrote: post #79
Calavar wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you are correct. Biden used Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974. Trump has used the 1974 act, but he's also used the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, which is what the trade court just ruled on. My understanding is the Trump admin's strategy of putting a tariff on every country as an opening to negotiations doesn't fly under the 1974 act, which only allows placing tariffs on a country i…

Biden used executive authority on tariffs repeatedly, the same method Trump is using. And you're totally incorrect, Biden maintained the existing IEEPA tariffs on China that were imposed in Trump's first term.

You’re making a false equivalence.

Not repealing an action isn’t the same as supporting it. It doesn’t make sense to arbitrarily repeal tariffs without a coordinated draw down of tbr other party.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by megaman821 »

duxup wrote: post #47
pwarner wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress seems to want a king?

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Usually I think saying both-sides is pretty lazy, but has any Congress in the last few decades done anything but delegate more of their authority to someone else? One party always complains about Executive Orders and interference when the other party is President, but then never curtails the power when they get a chance.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by fzeroracer »

0xy wrote: post #40
tnel77 wrote: post #12

Not saying this is good or bad, but this doesn’t seem surprising. Isn’t the point of our government structure to stop any one person from acting like a king. I’m surprised it took this long.

The Biden admin not only kept the first Trump admin's China tariffs in place but significantly expanded them under the same law. Was Biden acting like a king or does this analogy only go one way? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-bi... https://web.archive.org/web/20250101032222/https://www.white... "[The Biden admin intends to use] executive authority"

You called GDPR a 'trade barrier' as a justification for tariffs against the EU so it's extremely obvious you're not arguing from any position of good faith at all here.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by acdha »

0xy wrote: post #65
acdha wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Biden do that unilaterally claiming that a half-century economic trend was an EMERGENCY!!! or did he follow the legal process and negotiate with the Congress? They’ve delegated some powers but that’s not carte blanche.

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Incorrect. Biden’s actions were based on Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, which outlines a process for enacting tariffs where unfair trade practices have been identified.

This case was attempting to resolve the question of whether Trump’s use of the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act was legal. They did note that he has other, more limited tariff powers delegated by Congress which are legal to use as long as he follows the law.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by lesuorac »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #68
pwarner wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress seems to want a king?

A plurality of Americans voted for this government, for better or worse. The courts are one of the primary avenues for the minority to express their will, but they move slowly, although slightly faster than congress.

I mean a plurality of Americans voted for Obama. Should he have been able to ignore the will of congress and appoint supreme court justices to the vacant spots?

Nobody is saying that the Republicans in congress cannot set tariffs. We're just saying the _president_ cannot singularly do it. If elected Republicans congress critters want to pass a law establishing the tariff rates and have the elected Republican president sign it; go ahead.

Because that's the law ratified by a majority of states which is much more than plurality of Americans.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by boroboro4 »

klipt wrote: post #62
duxup wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Better hope this bill that house republicans have passed dies in the senate, since in effect it lets Trump override the courts: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-hidden-provision-in-t...

I think it might be struck down by Byrd rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_provision#Budget_Act_an...)
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