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US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Not saying this is good or bad, but this doesn’t seem surprising. Isn’t the point of our government structure to stop any one person from acting like a king. I’m surprised it took this long.

You’d think, but many recent events make that seem questionable at best.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

#52
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't they still have to deal with filibusters?

Codifying tariffs would also mean they probably can't change it every day to different numbers, no?

Potentially they can codify broader authority for executive to regulate tariffs…

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

#53
post #9

The GOP controls the house and senate. Congress controls tariffs. If they followed the law congress could make the thing happen. But I don't think think independent thinking is allowed in the GOP, and it might force their hand if they had to actually put it to a vote ...

Trump is claiming that imbalanced trade is a national emergency, allowing him to address it via executive order.

There has to be limits to this though, otherwise in (self-declared) wartime you have a dictator (cf Julius Caesar DICT PERP - all the power, all the time).

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

#54
post #9

The GOP controls the house and senate. Congress controls tariffs. If they followed the law congress could make the thing happen. But I don't think think independent thinking is allowed in the GOP, and it might force their hand if they had to actually put it to a vote ...

isn’t it easier to just say that the shadowy courts are the reason for all the problems and not actually ram the tariffs through? This seems like an off ramp is being extended. Who actually wants the tariffs?

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Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

#56
post #27
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US the president doesn't have the authority to start a war. Congress has the exclusive power to declare wars per the constitution.) (Obviously, in practice that's about as relevant congress having the sole authority over taxes, including tariffs.)

He only has to notify Congress within 48 hours, and if they don't approve it, those troops can stay deployed for up to 60 days. I'm just saying, he has already shown he's very interested in finding every loophole possible.

Oh, but isn't that law just for 'special military operations'? It's not proper 'war'?

(I agree that in practice, a war is a war, whether your nation's laws officially call it as such or not doesn't make much of a difference.)

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

#57
post #40
post #12

Not saying this is good or bad, but this doesn’t seem surprising. Isn’t the point of our government structure to stop any one person from acting like a king. I’m surprised it took this long.

The Biden admin not only kept the first Trump admin's China tariffs in place but significantly expanded them under the same law. Was Biden acting like a king or does this analogy only go one way? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-bi... https://web.archive.org/web/20250101032222/https://www.white... "[The Biden admin intends to use] executive authority"

Did Biden do that unilaterally claiming that a half-century economic trend was an EMERGENCY!!! or did he follow the legal process and negotiate with the Congress? They’ve delegated some powers but that’s not carte blanche.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

#58
post #48
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Biden admin not only kept the first Trump admin's China tariffs in place but significantly expanded them under the same law. Was Biden acting like a king or does this analogy only go one way? https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-bi... https://web.archive.org/web/20250101032222/https://www.white... "[The Biden admin intends to use] executive authority"

But those weren’t under the emergency economics power law Trump is using this time right?

And these tariffs apply to the entire world for some reason?
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