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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#191

If this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.

Like Google with Apple?

Google pays Apple because Google has paying customers for that in their advertisers.

For xAI to pay Telegram... where does xAI get value back out of that? I guess we'll be seeing AI with ads soon?

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#192

If this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.

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I really don't get the sentiment of everything Russia. Russia has the GDP of a province of China. Russia does not have a thriving manufacturing sector. Russia has increasingly less influence or power over the world. Why would powerful people in the US succumb to to Russia's influence? That just does not make sense. If anything, maybe the Lenin-loving Stalin-admiring Marxists would love Russia, like half of the university professors in the 50s loving the Soviet Union, to the point that they'd rather leak all kinds of information, including how to build atom bombs, to the Soviet Union. Oh, and New York Times even won a Pulitzer for praising the Soviet Union by the great Walter Duranty in the 1930s.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#193

Call me stupid, but I fundamentally do not grasp why xAI would pay Telegram for access to its users. $300M seems like a crazy amount of money to put into a chat app. I am genuinely curious about the business strategy behind the move bc that would be a market worth exploring - having something that the AI industry would pay for bc they are willing to spend a lot right now.

intelligence gathering

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the next logical step after companies shoving AI into every corner of their own products regardless of whether their users want it - now they're paying other companies to shove AI things into their products regardless of whether their users want it. Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations so they have to put their thumb on the scale by shoving it everyones face and then pre…

It's absolutely wild and scary watching how much money is being spent on pushing AI down the unwilling public's throats. Nobody wants this. Yet we're hiring expensive AI researchers and developers, buying datacenters full of GPUs, and now paying "partner" companies, to deliver this thing that nobody is asking for. What in the world is going on here? What am I not understanding?

> What in the world is going on here? What am I not understanding?

I don't think you're wrong in any way. I've been in denial for the past few years because the world is going crazy with AI and politics. But it's actually very good for me because I'm shunning all that shit and I focus on local people and local problems more: taking care of the finances of a non-profit, being more available for my friends and relatives, solving actual problems that people may have, etc. Denial is great and it makes more active. The downside is that I now have the calendar of a CEO and less time for me, but I believe the world need some care and we all can do something about it by doing small stuff.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#195
If paying Apple 20 billion to be the default search engine in Safari, paying Telegram 300 million in cash and equity for access to their 1 billion monthly active users, seems like a good deal for xAI. Where else are they gonna get users at that scale?

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#196
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the next logical step after companies shoving AI into every corner of their own products regardless of whether their users want it - now they're paying other companies to shove AI things into their products regardless of whether their users want it. Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations so they have to put their thumb on the scale by shoving it everyones face and then pre…

>Googles AI summaries, which are pinned to the top of results and can't be disabled You CAN disable them. Append -ai to your Google search query. You're welcome. Edit: curious why are people downvoting a helpful workaround?

Because it isn't disabling them - that would be an option to actually disable them.

Of course there are hacks round it, but ultimately Google want us to have the AI summaries, don't care about user choice, and the best course of action is to change search engine.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#197

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By what metric(s)? Not being disingenuous, purely curious.

By number of fully EV sold each quarter. Take out hybrids from the metric because Tesla does not make hybrids

Don't underestimate how far they've fallen. Tesla is nowhere near the top in Europe anymore. VW sold three times as many EVs as Tesla, with BYD in second place.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-just-got-overtaken-euro...

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#198

If this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.

Maybe xAI has some interesting way to make money in other places, like Google paying Mozilla for making Google search the default choice.

It's the same reason for Google and xAI - they want user data and are more than happy to pay for it.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#199

> Telegram is the most popular messaging app in Iran and Uzbekistan [1] > Telegram’s largest market is India, which accounts for more than 20% of its userbase. Telegram also has a large amount of users in countries with heavy censorship and surveillance, such as Iran, Russia, and Uzbekistan. [1] > Percentage of users via region: Asia 38%, Europe 27%, Latin America 21%, MEMA 8% [1] It sure is valuable data - if you ar…

> Telegram also has a large amount of users in countries with heavy censorship and surveillance That citizens of those countries are allowed to use Telegram says something about the privacy it affords to them.

Its well known that whatsapp is also available in Russia

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

#200

Now xAI is fully plugged into the zeitgeist. Integration into telegram chats seems like a natural extension to the data xAI gets from Twitter. $40 billion for twitter is a steal in retrospect now that we've entered an era of insatiable appetite for training data.

> $40 billion for twitter is a steal How so, when they could have paid around $300M for the data? Telegram may even be more valuable in terms of conversations, because Twitter data has very low signal:noise ratio - such as replies whose entirity are 3-word sentences or just emojis

I don't know about you but many of my messages are 1-3 emojis. Not that it matters, that is an easy thing to filter out of training data.

Elon's election-buying effort was certainly assisted by the Twitter purchase. And look how few (formerly) blue checks have left the platform despite his antics.

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