Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?
Completely agree, but another way to look at it is that Elmo is using someone else's money anyway...
xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#32Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?
No matter how good your offering is, you always need marketing if you are competing against an established behemoth in the space like OpenAI. Even Google has been unable to make much of a dent in OpenAI's daily active users despite having superior distribution and (recently) comparable quality. Grok 3 is legitimately one of the best general purpose models out there. People don't know about it because ChatGPT is "good…
I honestly don't care about the technical capabilities of the tool when I know it's being actively mismanaged.
Incidentally, have you got a moment to talk about the white genocide in south africa?
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seeing that telegram is clear text by default, you should consider alternatives that offer end to end encryption by default.
It's not clear text by default, it's just not end-to-end encrypted. Messages are still encrypted between client and server. I agree about considering alternatives though.
> Messages are still encrypted between client and server.
This is just a clever way of saying they use TLS, which I would be shocked if any mainstream app is not using.
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#34Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?
AI models being "sold" into apps is the new version of Google paying to be the default search in web browsers.
Main difference now is that the worst version is the only one being sold.
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#35Well, as a 9-year user of Telegram, I expected some monetization and paid mode, but looks like we're going to be used otherwise, for more free cheese.
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#36Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?
it's quite possible many model producers are trying to do this with telegram, and therefore there is a price for exclusivity?
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#37I can't help but think this means that all my telegram conversations will now be fed into grok. I'm curious how I'd go about verifying that this is or isn't going to be the case.
Did you have an expectation of privacy using Telegram? I think that's the real issue here. If you were paying for Telegram, then I would say yes, those conversation should not be handed over to xAI. But, if you were ostensibly not paying for it, then I think it should be assumed that use of the service is considered consent to take that and use it as they please.
So yeah, it's almost certain that everything you ever put into Telegram is in Grok.
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#38Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?
Language models should all converge to something that's more or less identical. They're commodities.
The hype bubble might mean they're commodities with a negative price for a little while.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not clear text by default, it's just not end-to-end encrypted. Messages are still encrypted between client and server. I agree about considering alternatives though.
> Messages are still encrypted between client and server. This is just a clever way of saying they use TLS, which I would be shocked if any mainstream app is not using.
Don't look under the hood at sms then
Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
#40Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?
Depends on the monetization strategy.
Google pays Apple a ton to be the search engine.
But yea, if xAI isn't going for ads, this is a pretty bad sign.