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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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afavour wrote: post #6

Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

No matter how good your offering is, you always need marketing if you are competing against an established behemoth in the space like OpenAI. Even Google has been unable to make much of a dent in OpenAI's daily active users despite having superior distribution and (recently) comparable quality.

Grok 3 is legitimately one of the best general purpose models out there. People don't know about it because ChatGPT is "good enough". And people have no reason to care unless Grok 3 is 5x better or ships a feature that goes viral like Ghibli portraits.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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swyx wrote: post #13
fallingknife wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't feel much different than Google paying for being the default in browsers

i get what youre saying but there are impt differences: 1) search is much cheaper to serve than chat 2) chat is a less frequent usecase 3) google paid for entry into a locked ecosystem (apple. also to appear like they are not a monopoly). telegram is far from locked.

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by harg »

alphager wrote: post #17
bognition wrote: post #2

I can't help but think this means that all my telegram conversations will now be fed into grok. I'm curious how I'd go about verifying that this is or isn't going to be the case.

Seeing that telegram is clear text by default, you should consider alternatives that offer end to end encryption by default.

It's not clear text by default, it's just not end-to-end encrypted. Messages are still encrypted between client and server.

I agree about considering alternatives though.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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harg wrote: post #24
alphager wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing that telegram is clear text by default, you should consider alternatives that offer end to end encryption by default.

It's not clear text by default, it's just not end-to-end encrypted. Messages are still encrypted between client and server. I agree about considering alternatives though.

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by afavour »

linkage wrote: post #21
afavour wrote: post #6

Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

No matter how good your offering is, you always need marketing if you are competing against an established behemoth in the space like OpenAI. Even Google has been unable to make much of a dent in OpenAI's daily active users despite having superior distribution and (recently) comparable quality. Grok 3 is legitimately one of the best general purpose models out there. People don't know about it because ChatGPT is "good…

$300m could buy you a hell of a lot of marketing, no? Then people could choose to use your product rather than be forced to.

We’re side stepping the elephant in the room: X/xAI/Musk’s brand is toxic and forcing the product onto users is one of few paths available.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by jazzyjackson »

harg wrote: post #24
alphager wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing that telegram is clear text by default, you should consider alternatives that offer end to end encryption by default.

It's not clear text by default, it's just not end-to-end encrypted. Messages are still encrypted between client and server. I agree about considering alternatives though.

Ok so theyre plaintext on the server, encrypted in transit just means https

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by paxys »

alphager wrote: post #17
bognition wrote: post #2

I can't help but think this means that all my telegram conversations will now be fed into grok. I'm curious how I'd go about verifying that this is or isn't going to be the case.

Seeing that telegram is clear text by default, you should consider alternatives that offer end to end encryption by default.

End-to-end encryption isn't going to help if the chatbot/data harvester is embedded in the app itself.
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