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Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by ls612 »

whatshisface wrote: post #20
kevincox wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example DC Police may have confidential informants who would be best to use Signal because that isn't unusual. But the people there are communicating need to retain the communication.

So basically, you tell at-risk people they're E2E, but keep a copy on whatever storage system you want to use and send another to your friends.

E2EE’s biggest use case is preventing the government from reading your messages. If you are messaging the government (or are in the government) then this isn’t relevant.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by mschuster91 »

ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #24
snarf21 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously, it isn't about that. Our government just doesn't want anyone but them spying on its citizens.

It isn't even about that. Tiktok is taking market share from FAANGs. Zuckerberg has spent a pretty penny on this Tiktok disinformation campaign and if you look at the members of Congress behind the ban Tiktok bill, most of them purchased huge amounts of Meta stock before introducing it to Congress. It's corruption all the way down.

> Zuckerberg has spent a pretty penny on this Tiktok disinformation campaign

There's more than enough reports from outside the US that credibly allege TikTok is a critical factor in the radicalization and recruitment of the far-right and militant Islamism [1][2][3].

Conspiracies about Zuckerberg wanting to dunk on a competitor aside (that may or may not be real, and I'm heavily inclined to believe they are true), the threat from TikTok is real, this application needs to be exterminated at all cost before China completely tears apart our society.

[1] https://www.bpb.de/lernen/digitale-bildung/werkstatt/560523/...

[2] https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/radikalis...

[3] https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/hessen/hr-wandern-...

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by jxjnskkzxxhx »

specproc wrote: post #25

What seemed to be interesting from the email addresses disclosed is that there are a hell of a lot of people engaged in finance, investment or trading of one sort or another. There are a few there with enough emails for it to be relatively widespread within the institution: Scotiabank, JPMorgan, KKR and Jeffries stand out -- Scotiabank has hundreds of emails, I imagine they're having a bad week. Also a lot of energy…

Do you understand how emails come into this? I thought signal used only phone numbers...

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by verdverm »

mschuster91 wrote: post #32
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't even about that. Tiktok is taking market share from FAANGs. Zuckerberg has spent a pretty penny on this Tiktok disinformation campaign and if you look at the members of Congress behind the ban Tiktok bill, most of them purchased huge amounts of Meta stock before introducing it to Congress. It's corruption all the way down.

> Zuckerberg has spent a pretty penny on this Tiktok disinformation campaign There's more than enough reports from outside the US that credibly allege TikTok is a critical factor in the radicalization and recruitment of the far-right and militant Islamism [1][2][3]. Conspiracies about Zuckerberg wanting to dunk on a competitor aside (that may or may not be real, and I'm heavily inclined to believe they are true), the…

Both assertions can be true at the same time

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by mingus88 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #27
btown wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need your partners/bankers/salespeople/cabinet-level officials etc. to be able to converse with their clients on the E2E encrypted systems those clients already use, like WhatsApp and Signal, but maintain retention for legal or internal data-mining reasons, the only way to do that is to have a modified client, perhaps cracked or forked from an official client, that speaks the same wire protocol, but copies mes…

> the only way to do that is to have a modified client My firm requires screenshots. If the concern is that someone would bypass that, well, someone could bypass TeleMessage, too.

One has to wonder what type of legal requirement this satisfies.

It certainly wouldn’t hold up to the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard for US criminal prosecution.

I’ve been exposed to “lit holds” for various document management system before and usually a third party such as Box or Microsoft can attest to the immutability of files placed under lit hold, and/or there is an audit trail to make sure the chain of custody is intact.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #32
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't even about that. Tiktok is taking market share from FAANGs. Zuckerberg has spent a pretty penny on this Tiktok disinformation campaign and if you look at the members of Congress behind the ban Tiktok bill, most of them purchased huge amounts of Meta stock before introducing it to Congress. It's corruption all the way down.

> Zuckerberg has spent a pretty penny on this Tiktok disinformation campaign There's more than enough reports from outside the US that credibly allege TikTok is a critical factor in the radicalization and recruitment of the far-right and militant Islamism [1][2][3]. Conspiracies about Zuckerberg wanting to dunk on a competitor aside (that may or may not be real, and I'm heavily inclined to believe they are true), the…

> There's more than enough reports from outside the US that credibly allege TikTok is a critical factor in the radicalization and recruitment of the far-right and militant Islamism [1][2][3].

You can find literature to support that claim for Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter, not just Tiktok. The Making of a Youtube Radical was a big story back in 2019. Facebook won the election for Trump in 2016. Twitter is owned by a Nazi who routinely boost far-right conspiracy theories.

The answer isn't banning Tiktok but passing strong privacy and data legislation that affects all social media platforms. Not just Tiktok. US social media companies have been pulling on the seams of society far before Tiktok arrived.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by mingus88 »

whatshisface wrote: post #20
kevincox wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example DC Police may have confidential informants who would be best to use Signal because that isn't unusual. But the people there are communicating need to retain the communication.

So basically, you tell at-risk people they're E2E, but keep a copy on whatever storage system you want to use and send another to your friends.

This has always been possible with screenshots. SGNL is just an enterprise solution.

At the end of they day you need to trust who you are talking to and never over share.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by tough »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #33
specproc wrote: post #25

What seemed to be interesting from the email addresses disclosed is that there are a hell of a lot of people engaged in finance, investment or trading of one sort or another. There are a few there with enough emails for it to be relatively widespread within the institution: Scotiabank, JPMorgan, KKR and Jeffries stand out -- Scotiabank has hundreds of emails, I imagine they're having a bad week. Also a lot of energy…

Do you understand how emails come into this? I thought signal used only phone numbers...

Since TeleMessage is not really signal but just a front the israelis want your email to signup (its mostly an enterprise service, so you either pay and they know who you are already) etc

this is like slack for signal

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by throw10920 »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #8
throw10920 wrote: post #6

I'm hoping that this will be yet another shot in the war to convice corporations and government agencies that they need to have on-prem data hosting that isn't accessible to the company running the service. I don't think you can do full E2E between individual employees in a corporate setting, but at the very least if all of the organization's data is only accessible to the organization, that'll help with a lot of the…

If a company knows something about you, so does the government(s). This is exactly the state of affairs the government prefers. Privacy and consumer protection long died on the altar of turnkey totalitarian universal monitoring. By having corps do the creepiest data collection, whatever all political opposition to the complete surveillance state is bypassed

This is pretty significantly off-topic, but I'll respond anyway:

(a) That's one of the reasons why it's important to restrict corporate data collection in addition to state data collection; and

(b) In the vast majority of cases, the US government at least, has to obtain a warrant to collect data on US citizens, so those two sets are not the same

I agree with the idea that most governments around the world have far more access to corporate data than they should, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that they have complete access (with caveats - the US has more protections than most of the rest of the world, for instance, and China has far less).

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by throw10920 »

layer8 wrote: post #30
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a company knows something about you, so does the government(s). This is exactly the state of affairs the government prefers. Privacy and consumer protection long died on the altar of turnkey totalitarian universal monitoring. By having corps do the creepiest data collection, whatever all political opposition to the complete surveillance state is bypassed

To the extent that this is the case, or more importantly, can become the case, that is why the concept of data parsimony is important: https://martinfowler.com/bliki/Datensparsamkeit.html https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23710925

This is a beautiful word for a useful concept, thank you!
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