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TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by ipsum2 »

OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #7
stepupmakeup wrote: post #4

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It's a data leak that was posted publicly online. Yes DDoSSecrets restricts access to verified journalists and security researchers but if you don't fall under that criteria you can always just get it the old fashioned way by digging around for torrents of data leaks like everyone else has done since forever.

Isn't DDoSSecrets the only one that has access to the hacked/downloaded dataset, so there wouldn't be other copies floating around unless someone else simultaneously downloaded the dataset at the same time?

Someone can prove me wrong by dropping a magnet link. :)

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

snarf21 wrote: post #22
FilosofumRex wrote: post #17

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Obviously, it isn't about that. Our government just doesn't want anyone but them spying on its citizens.

It isn't even about that. Tiktok is taking market share from FAANGs. Zuckerberg has spent a pretty penny on this Tiktok disinformation campaign and if you look at the members of Congress behind the ban Tiktok bill, most of them purchased huge amounts of Meta stock before introducing it to Congress. It's corruption all the way down.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by specproc »

What seemed to be interesting from the email addresses disclosed is that there are a hell of a lot of people engaged in finance, investment or trading of one sort or another.

There are a few there with enough emails for it to be relatively widespread within the institution: Scotiabank, JPMorgan, KKR and Jeffries stand out -- Scotiabank has hundreds of emails, I imagine they're having a bad week. Also a lot of energy stuff, Aramco, Total.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #8
throw10920 wrote: post #6

I'm hoping that this will be yet another shot in the war to convice corporations and government agencies that they need to have on-prem data hosting that isn't accessible to the company running the service. I don't think you can do full E2E between individual employees in a corporate setting, but at the very least if all of the organization's data is only accessible to the organization, that'll help with a lot of the…

If a company knows something about you, so does the government(s). This is exactly the state of affairs the government prefers. Privacy and consumer protection long died on the altar of turnkey totalitarian universal monitoring. By having corps do the creepiest data collection, whatever all political opposition to the complete surveillance state is bypassed

> if a company knows something about you, so does the government(s)

The constant litigation between the government and private companies over records requests should put this hypothesis to bed.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

btown wrote: post #19
ComputerGuru wrote: post #9

I don’t understand the value proposition of TeleMessage. Uses Signal but defeats the point of using Signal. Why not use a proper centralized chat with actual retention and encryption?

If you need your partners/bankers/salespeople/cabinet-level officials etc. to be able to converse with their clients on the E2E encrypted systems those clients already use, like WhatsApp and Signal, but maintain retention for legal or internal data-mining reasons, the only way to do that is to have a modified client, perhaps cracked or forked from an official client, that speaks the same wire protocol, but copies mes…

> the only way to do that is to have a modified client

My firm requires screenshots. If the concern is that someone would bypass that, well, someone could bypass TeleMessage, too.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by landl0rd »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #17

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The former is controlled by the most notable enemy of America. The latter is shitware that the government was stupid to buy. They are both threats to national security but in different ways and the government being stupid about TeleMessage doesn't mean it should ignore the threat of tik tok.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a company knows something about you, so does the government(s). This is exactly the state of affairs the government prefers. Privacy and consumer protection long died on the altar of turnkey totalitarian universal monitoring. By having corps do the creepiest data collection, whatever all political opposition to the complete surveillance state is bypassed

> if a company knows something about you, so does the government(s) The constant litigation between the government and private companies over records requests should put this hypothesis to bed.

The black box rooms in the telecom forms two decades ago beg to differ

What you are talking about is small fry law enforcement.

If you don't think the new has total access to the databases of the thousands of social network and advertising/data collection firms, I don't know what to tell you.

Maybe something totally encrypted, but even then there is hardware backdoors, and the NSA can simply pay an employee to legally let them in.

Re: TeleMessage Explorer: a new open source research tool

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Post by layer8 »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #8
throw10920 wrote: post #6

I'm hoping that this will be yet another shot in the war to convice corporations and government agencies that they need to have on-prem data hosting that isn't accessible to the company running the service. I don't think you can do full E2E between individual employees in a corporate setting, but at the very least if all of the organization's data is only accessible to the organization, that'll help with a lot of the…

If a company knows something about you, so does the government(s). This is exactly the state of affairs the government prefers. Privacy and consumer protection long died on the altar of turnkey totalitarian universal monitoring. By having corps do the creepiest data collection, whatever all political opposition to the complete surveillance state is bypassed

To the extent that this is the case, or more importantly, can become the case, that is why the concept of data parsimony is important: https://martinfowler.com/bliki/Datensparsamkeit.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23710925

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