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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by imoverclocked »

iAMkenough wrote: post #335
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

If you speak out against the government, the government will retaliate. Simple as that.

You are describing the inability for dissent as normal. In fact, it's considered an international human right. Despite it also being in our constitution, the Trump Administration's actions resemble your comment closely.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by cosmicgadget »

ithkuil wrote: post #242

The us government, using the appropriate mechanism like passing laws etc, can change the policies like they see fit. However I don't understand how it's possible to single out a specific university. Are there precedents for this kind of behaviour?

It's called a bill of attainder and it's prohibited by the Constitution. Courts have said this also applies to executive orders though it's not as crystal clear.

He's already done this to the Associated Press for ignoring his stupid Gulf of Mexico rename as well as to several law firms for representing democrats.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

gosub100 wrote: post #336
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also crazy (read: unconstitutional) to punish students who do have everything to do with these protests.

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Private schools can create and enforce their own rules how they wish. The United States government is forbidden from creating or enforcing rules on content of speech.

It's actually only a 1st Amendment question in one case and not the other. Looks like they tricked ya though!

(Technically it's a 1st Amendment question in both cases in that private entities have a 1st Amendment right to create rules for their own campuses)

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by scandox »

nashashmi wrote: post #312
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

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Your hatred is clouding your judgement. It is very clear that the issue of the protests is being used by an American government to pursue a much broader agenda. Israel and antisemitism are merely the most convenient instrument. But since you are trapped in (charitably) a prejudicial mind bubble you can only see this as further proof of a tiny group of people somehow controlling everything...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by bamboozled »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #283
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard

When you frame it like this... it doesn't sound like such a loss. But yeah, it's not the only way to frame it.

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Post by Alupis »

rat87 wrote: post #355
Alupis wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, perhaps more simply, the days of the "Good Ol' Boys" who all went to the same power school and use that as a way to influence politics are over? I'm reminded of the infamous George Carlin bit "It's a big club, and you ain’t in it"[1]. Maybe not anymore... and that's a most likely a good thing. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/964648-but-there-s-a-reason...

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Can multiple things not be true at the same time? Or is it one of those "our" billionaires type of thing?

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Post by dandellion »

Alupis wrote: post #333
philistine wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're overthinking this. The university is vocal about keeping its independence. That's enough to warrant retaliation from this president.

Or, perhaps more simply, the days of the "Good Ol' Boys" who all went to the same power school and use that as a way to influence politics are over? I'm reminded of the infamous George Carlin bit "It's a big club, and you ain’t in it"[1]. Maybe not anymore... and that's a most likely a good thing. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/964648-but-there-s-a-reason...

Going by Occam's razor, grandparent's hypothesis is more likely to be correct than yours.

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Post by bamboozled »

legitster wrote: post #140

Anyone who thinks they are immune or on the "good side" of this political movement is naive. Harvard has cranked out plenty of powerful conservatives, but it doesn't matter because their "crime" is that they have hurt the current administration's feelings. This is going well beyond one party winning - this is a cult of personality. History is repeating itself as a farce. It's not wild speculation to guess what might…

It's already been lawyers and judges, not going great...
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