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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by daedrdev »

paxys wrote: post #69

Harvard as an institution is older than the USA. It will survive 4 years of a lunatic's presidency.

This is quite literally the appeal to tradition or inertia fallacy. Just because they've been around for a while does not mean they are not facing an existential threat. Every structure humans create will one day collapse. This certainly looks difficult for Harvard and could be their end because there is no divine protection, only the decision that will be made by an extremely conservative Supreme Court and the willingness of authoritarian minded government employees in the trump admin to listen to the courts.

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Post by alaxhn »

therouwboat wrote: post #219
Workaccount2 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problems at Harvard and other high ed organizations are real. They've become pretty unhinged and concentrated, they really need to work on getting back to "open forum for discussing all ideas" rather than the "Open forum for discussing all correct ideas" that they have drifted into. I can see it first hand through my mother, who works at a major school. That being said, republicans decided to chose an M1 Abrams t…

But Trump adminstration is so much worse here, they ban stuff based on word lists and kick people with wrong ideas out of the country.

In the hiring process for these institutions, until recently you had to write a "Diversity Statement" which was evaluated as part of the hiring process. This was an attempt to keep people with the "wrong ideas" out of the hiring pool. Similarly the H1B process asks you a long list of questions that you are required to answer "correctly" in order to be admitted. If you fail, you are kicked out.

I think the question is which set of ideas are not ok (e.g. clearly "I want to commit violence" is not an ok idea) which set of ideas are a grey area ("I have attended a major event of a US designated terror organization such as a funeral of a leader from a a terror organization") and which set of ideas are ok ("I want to advocate for peacefully advocate for more bike lanes"). There are very strong party affiliations for what ideas are considered ok vs forbidden (e.g. trans rights in the sports world).

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Post by CamperBob2 »

ty6853 wrote: post #131
dragontamer wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the Supreme Court's 9-0 decision in favor of returning Garcia working out? The courts have been beaten months ago. We are well into crazy train territory.

Lol Rubio told Xinis on national TV he was intentionally stonewalling any information to her, and she took it like a bitch and just kept rolling with keeping most their 'secrets' under seal (despite earlier talking big game of exposing them to sunlight). The courts aren't even trying, they could order someone into contempt, but they won't.

"Ninth Circuit? Never heard of them. How many divisions do they have?"

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

blitzar wrote: post #247
HenryBemis wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downloaded the file (must still be somewhere in my "Downloads" folder with many other forever-unread PDFs). I would suggest for anyone living in the US, to find and read that because this is (more or less) what will happen in the/your country in the next 3.5 years. (if I remember well it's 150-170 pages - and since I don't live in the US the meme "Ain't Nobody Got Time for That" is spot on).

Skip the reading (it's too hard) - watch the documentary version instead, Idiocracy (2006)

Totally different situation. President Camacho found the smartest man in the world to fix his problems.

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Post by jmclnx »

ReptileMan wrote: post #232

Trump was elected roughly on 3 issues - economy, immigration and culture war. So he has to deliver at least on two to have meaningful legacy. Because of the idiocy around tariffs - the economy at the midterms will be at best slightly above where he got it. So it leaves immigration and culture war. The border crossings are way down - so halfway there, but deporting meaningful numbers will be hard. Which means that he…

No :) The 3 issues are

1. Racism

2. Racism

3. Racism

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Post by scoofy »

bongoman42 wrote: post #95
scoofy wrote: post #8

If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

Most Republicans around me are extremely happy with this.

The politicians that matter most are the marginally elected representatives for their party, and they care about the marginal voter in their district. The median Republican does not matter when it comes to impeachment and removal. What matters is about one standard deviation in views left of the median.

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Post by periodjet »

miffel wrote: post #98
periodjet wrote: post #88

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Well if it was a decision made by Harvard after serious deliberation and years of prep one could try to argue in good faith about the possible positive effects. Since this seems to be retaliation by the current admin due to Harvard's resistance to turning over vast amounts of records on intl. students... I think people are being less optimistic. I am curious, what do you think is beneficial about this? Please feel fr…

Harvard has been extraordinarily badly-behaved for decades. The state is applying what pressure it can to force the Harvard administrators to reconsider such behavior. I fail to see what’s so revolting about such a strategy.

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Post by blitzar »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #264
blitzar wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skip the reading (it's too hard) - watch the documentary version instead, Idiocracy (2006)

Totally different situation. President Camacho found the smartest man in the world to fix his problems.

Good point. In our timeline America found the dumbest man in the world to fix its problems.
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