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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by eximius »

platevoltage wrote: post #91
chrisandchris wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes you sign up for things, because the advertisment did look great. But then, at one point, you want to cancel that subscription.

My point is, this was the advertisement. If you thought it looked great, you signed up for it. And if you didn't vote for this, but you voted for something ridiculous like banning around dozen people from playing sports, well, I have the same amount of sympathy for you too.

Yes and no. It seems obvious it was the advertisement but I know people who voted for Trump that are otherwise fairly liberal. They were either grossly uninformed, misinformed, or simply _didn't believe_ the reporting about various issues.

The last is the most frustrating to me because there is a hint of the truth there - the stuff reported about Trump _is_ insane. They're doing things so openly and brazenly that there are kneejerk reactions to either ask "is it really so bad if they're doing it in the open" or "surely the reporting must be a lie because no one would be that shameless".

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Post by wat10000 »

lupusreal wrote: post #139
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

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That's part of it, but another large part is that Republicans are hostile to higher education in general, and this serves as a convenient excuse.

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Post by orochimaaru »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #66

I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

Exactly what “consequence” are you talking about? Voting by design is protected from retribution.

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Post by jasonjayr »

scoofy wrote: post #138
dragontamer wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We’d be much better off with a president Vance. Vance literally defended the eating cats and dogs lie during the debate. The entire fucking point of this platform is to fuck the immigrants, legal or otherwise. Or is this actually a surprise to anyone with half a brain?

Donald Trump is genuinely an idiot and deeply and obviously corrupt. I don’t like Vance, I’m still going to be mad at his agenda, but he’s generally intelligent. He’s not going to run the country into the ground because he doesn’t understand how fixed income securities work or give away national security to fly in an obviously bugged luxury plane for funsies. At the end of the day, there are different levels of terri…

Why haven't any of the other intelligent and uncorrupt republicans done anything to prevent the "running the country into the ground"?

There has to be more than a few of them, right? They could halt or correct this agenda at any time they choose.

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

squigz wrote: post #149
Braxton1980 wrote: post #66

I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

I'm a bit confused what you're suggesting here. In what way should people be "held responsible for the actions of representatives"?

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by InitialLastName »

OutOfHere wrote: post #94
hangonhn wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly as an American, I would seriously consider how my daughter can go to these top Canadian or EU schools.

Consider ETH Zurich too, although if truth be told, K12+4+2 education is 100% obsoleted now by AI; only PhD is still very relevant.

The AI didn't tell you that the idiom is "if truth be told", so how useful is it really?

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Post by gorbachev »

Terr_ wrote: post #40
sva_ wrote: post #32

> When a University’s SEVP certification is revoked, currently enrolled international students must choose between transferring to a different institution, changing their immigration status, or leaving the country, according to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement website. It's crazy they're punishing tons of students who don't even have anything to do with these protests

s/crazy/deliberately evil/g They might prefer to start with certain targets, but all international students are target of opportunity [0] the same way they've attacked people with lawful residency. [1] Though perhaps with some very particular and suspicious quasi-ethnic exceptions. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crljn5046epo [0] Ex. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/09/us/immigration-green-card... , https://www.kans…

The target is Harvard University and the Woke Masterminds Who Are Destroying America.

The champions of One True America are just using international students as pawns to force Harvard's hand.

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Post by decimalenough »

lupusreal wrote: post #139
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

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I don't think the Trump admin gives a rat's ass about Jews. It's an excuse for legal action, in the same way that "fentanyl" was the excuse for tariffs on Canada.
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