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OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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tbh has jony ive produced any remarkable hardware piece since he left apple? Can't think of any maybe im wrong he must be buying the name or something or just the brains idk

Honestly once Jobs died most of what Ive did was ruin existing products, such as the butterfly keyboard and the removal of all of the useful ports from their laptops.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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This is such an obvious jump the shark moment for openAI.

These types of puffery acquisitions, with a former “legend”, announced with such gusto, have never materialized into anything.

You’re not gonna get breakthrough products like this. Breakthrough products just appear unexpectedly, they’re not announced a year or two ahead of time.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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The reason why Apple has failed to integrate AI successfully into the iPhone isn't because we need an AI-first device, it's because AI is still universally being strategized as a solution in search of a problem. An AI-first device at this stage will fail for the same reason: it doesn't have a mission statement to solve particular problems for real people, it has a mission statement to be an AI device. The absolute be…

I kind of disagree in that I find AI features that I can use with the phone quite useful like being able to say what's that tree or how do I get to Croydon or such like. I don't feel any desire for the AI processing to be built into the device however, I'm quite happy to have it running on Google or whoever's servers and be able to access it from whatever device.

That's the problem, though, you've described a product with AI-driven features as opposed to an AI-first product.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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First Windsurf and now this. OpenAI is spending billions like there's nothing else to use this money for while being seemingly cash strapped for model training since they already signaled more investment rounds would be needed to remain competitive. They're trying to become too big to fail before they have a moat which won't work well.

From the article 5 billion of the payment is equity in OpenAI. So they aren't spending cash

This still means 1.5B were paid in cash for a company from what I understood has neither clients nor even a product. Not exactly pocket money.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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I absolutely despise comments like these, and you only see them on HN. It's like saying great architects aren't great, it's the construction workers who should get the credit.

> It's like saying great architects aren't great No, you made that up. It's like saying great architects are not the sole cause of the things they make. > it's the construction workers who should get the credit Don't you think the construction workers should get some of the credit?

You're most likely to get credit by being unique and irreplaceable. In other words, if the work would not have happened without you. If someone else could have been easily hired to do the work you contributed, and if in that case the work would have been largely indistinguishable from the work you did, then you're essentially fungible.

IMO you still deserve credit. And in fact you still get credit. But that credit comes in the form of monetary reward and (hopefully) recognition from your team and peers, rather than in the form of fame.

All of which… seems sensible to me? Hard to imagine it working otherwise. Interestingly, the movie industry has normalized "end credits" which play after a movie ends, and which lists literally everyone involved, which is quite cool. But the effect is still the same, the people up top get 99.99% of the credit.

(Ofc the "system" is imperfect, and fame/credit can be gamed by good marketers. But it's also not a "system" that any one party invented, it's just sort of an organic economy of attention at work.)

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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The name is "IO". A day after the Google I/O keynote. Another purposely planned derailment. It's probably some form of glasses with ChatGPT on it but obvious glazing, pomp and ceremony of this announcement talking directly to Apple. Apple has 1 year to respond.

Apple should buy Anthropic I think. It’s the last available lab.

Mistral is good too.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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From the article 5 billion of the payment is equity in OpenAI. So they aren't spending cash

This still means 1.5B were paid in cash for a company from what I understood has neither clients nor even a product. Not exactly pocket money.

Appears from the outside as a very expensive aquihire but if you're getting the guy who essentially created the iPhone it could be worth it.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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The whole thing is almost indistinguishable from satire, without the domain name I'd have thought I'd been had. The photo, the text, the video where Sam nearly looks like CGI, and then the quotes at the bottom really make for a full package of cringe.

Reads and looks like an obituary, lol

I was thinking more like a wedding invite

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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To quote myself: "Jony Ive made incredibly poor products his last years at Apple" - So his opinion of what constitutes a "poor product" is suspect (R1 and Humane were bad products but just because you can tell what is a bad product doesn't mean you can make a good one).

Hindsight is 20/20. If they were so obviously bad at the time, how did they get to market?

> If they were so obviously bad at the time, how did they get to market?

I'm not sure what "they" is here (Humane, Rabbit, or late-Ive-era Apple designs).

In all cases though there were plenty of people sounding the alarm. Both Humane and Rabbit were made fun of (wasn't in Humane's demo that the AI was completely wrong about guess the amount of almonds or the calories?). As for Apple products it was a common refrain that they were being made thin at the cost of ports/cooling/etc. How did Apple keep doubling down on the butterfly keyboard _years_ after it was well known it was a bad design?

Also, "The markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent." (re: how did they get to market). You can do anything if you set enough money on fire, no matter how many people are telling you it's a bad idea.

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