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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by 999900000999 »

fidotron wrote: post #126
neuralkoi wrote: post #94

The comments on this article are very interesting. The next major device will definitely be AI-first. Apple is currently trying to jerry-rig AI into their existing product, the iPhone. This has so far not only been a complete failure, but is bound to be a complete failure in the end. The next Apple will be the one that creates an AI-first device entirely from scratch. AI lies at the core of everything it does. It's a…

> The next major device will definitely be AI-first. Be more specific though: what form factor will such a device be in? A coffee maker? A phone? Glasses? Cars? A building? The AI wave seems to be hoping a whole load of hardware revolutions, such as holographic displays, will just appear out of the ether because it fits with their vision of how things should be.

It's going to be an entire OS.

This would cost 50 billion or so. But right now you probably interact with at least 3 or 4 oses per day.

Your TV, has one. Your phone has one, your laptop has one. And if you have voice assistants, they run a 4th distinct OS.

The future will have one OS that shares a session.

Two paths exist. 1. This runs primarily locally aside from a very small amount of data to share the session ( which you can disable). It's completely open source and modifiable.

If you want to roll a 3500$ super PC it'll be just as compatible with the OS as a 200$ one. Writing small automated tasks, everything from just asking with a voice command to wake up jazz,to running a custom C script, will be easy to do.

While I'm dreaming I want a new programming language which supports 3 levels. Plan English instructions ran though an LLM, something like Python and a systems level language like Rust. All "native" programs will be built in this framework.

Now, the negative path is this is all closed source, processed in some data center. "John, I noticed you said to Brian your feet hurt, new running shoes are 30% off , just say the word."

This is the far far more likely outcome. They're going to build an AI that's constantly with you, integrated in every device you own, and it'll all be to sell you stuff.

"Waymo, I would like to go home."

"Sure, but let's stop for milkshakes."

"Waymo, please , I'm tried."

"Understood, I've arranged the milkshakes to be dropped off an your apartment."

This technology could be amazing for accessibility, even real time sign language translation would change the world.

We'll get some of that, but the end goal will always be making as much money as possible. Ultimately selling us crap. Your awake for 16 hours today. You must be monetized every waking second.

Once they figure out how to get the science from Dream Scenario to work I'm sure they monetize sleep too

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by dkarl »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #181
whynotminot wrote: post #78

These product-focused moves feel like a tacit admission that AGI is further away than they’ve been preaching. If it was close at hand, spending precious resources on anything other than pursuing AGI wouldn’t make sense.

Does anyone seriously think we're anywhere close to AGI with LLMs? I know CEOs like to say things to blow smoke up investors asses, but does anyone with actual credibility think that?

Fifteen years ago I worked with a guy who, in retrospect, was very similar to an LLM. He was extremely verbally gifted and a vacuum cleaner for information. He could speak brilliantly about any topic he had been exposed to. He was a great person to send to a meeting, because he was great at answering questions coherently with the information he had on hand, and he always managed to make your ideas sound smarter than you could yourself. Based on that, you might think he sounds like a gifted human, until I tell you about his major weakness: if you asked him about something he didn't know about, he would often speak just as surely, fluently, and compellingly about it. He hallucinated just like an LLM, and that's why he was stuck in roles without a high level of responsibility despite his verbal gifts.

He was neither arrogant nor self-conscious. He treated his hallucinations as if they were the kinds of simple mistakes other people made, like, oops, I thought I understood this but I don't, no different from oops, I forgot my umbrella.

I sometimes wondered if he had a specific condition that made him the way he was, but I never doubted that he was human, with "general intelligence."

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by detectd »

bigyabai wrote: post #81
amelius wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No question that Ive is a legend Not sure why he deserves to be a legend, to be honest, but yes, he is a legend. He did a good job, but those small and minimalistic designs were only possible because of the efforts of entire teams of engineers, of which the public never heard anything.

And many of those designs were made at Ive's behest, against the wishes of entire teams of engineers. I feel like we have his "courage" to blame for the Butterfly keyboard, terrible Mac thermals and the lack of ports on "Pro" computers.

Don't forget the Apple Mouse with the lightning port under the mouse so you can't use it while it charges. It's still the only Apple product with a design that makes me physically cringe.

I also find it awkward and uncomfortable to use, but that might just be me.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by JKCalhoun »

elAhmo wrote: post #176
lolinder wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why Apple has failed to integrate AI successfully into the iPhone isn't because we need an AI-first device, it's because AI is still universally being strategized as a solution in search of a problem. An AI-first device at this stage will fail for the same reason: it doesn't have a mission statement to solve particular problems for real people, it has a mission statement to be an AI device. The absolute be…

> it's because AI is still universally being strategized as a solution in search of a problem What Apple showed seems quite useful. It is a shame they failed spectacularly at execution. Even the simplest things that should be answerable by an LLM and their data, which is what a lot of people want, should be a very low hanging fruit - so much utility without building a complete experience from scratch. Why cant I just…

I think it was rushed. Apple may though have lost "the vision thing" — but I'm willing to allow them another release cycle to mature their initial bandwagon-reaction.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by bdangubic »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #291
paxys wrote: post #230

So they paid $5B to hire Jony Ive? Is there even a product or just all vibes?

Perhaps buying him so Apple doesn't? (Just wild speculation — but one that would be on par for Corporate America over the past decade or two.)

I’ve heard stories of people paying $5B to get divorced, haven’t heard any paying $5B to their ex-husbands :)

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by vessenes »

brulard wrote: post #278
bigyabai wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And many of those designs were made at Ive's behest, against the wishes of entire teams of engineers. I feel like we have his "courage" to blame for the Butterfly keyboard, terrible Mac thermals and the lack of ports on "Pro" computers.

I had the butterfly keyboard for 5 years yet I didn't have a single problem with it. And I'm a long time mechanical keyboards user. What is all the hate about?

I felt the same way when I used it. But recently I booted up an old laptop with the butterfly keys and I was like "ewwww" as soon as I started typing on them. They worked. But what we have now is more comfortable.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by ilikepi »

brulard wrote: post #278
bigyabai wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And many of those designs were made at Ive's behest, against the wishes of entire teams of engineers. I feel like we have his "courage" to blame for the Butterfly keyboard, terrible Mac thermals and the lack of ports on "Pro" computers.

I had the butterfly keyboard for 5 years yet I didn't have a single problem with it. And I'm a long time mechanical keyboards user. What is all the hate about?

Many people (more than the average rate for the prior generations) _did_ have problems. Perhaps more importantly, the only way to address those problems when they arose was to replace not only the keyboard itself but the entire top case of the machine due to the way the parts were integrated. This process costed many hundreds of dollars when the machines were out of warranty, and the company eventually acquiesced to social pressure and lawsuits by creating an extended warranty program.

That's not to say your situation is unique...there are probably many machines out there that have not had problems, including one owned by my wife. But there are also an unusually high number of machines that did.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by tim333 »

lolinder wrote: post #131
neuralkoi wrote: post #94

The comments on this article are very interesting. The next major device will definitely be AI-first. Apple is currently trying to jerry-rig AI into their existing product, the iPhone. This has so far not only been a complete failure, but is bound to be a complete failure in the end. The next Apple will be the one that creates an AI-first device entirely from scratch. AI lies at the core of everything it does. It's a…

The reason why Apple has failed to integrate AI successfully into the iPhone isn't because we need an AI-first device, it's because AI is still universally being strategized as a solution in search of a problem. An AI-first device at this stage will fail for the same reason: it doesn't have a mission statement to solve particular problems for real people, it has a mission statement to be an AI device. The absolute be…

I kind of disagree in that I find AI features that I can use with the phone quite useful like being able to say what's that tree or how do I get to Croydon or such like. I don't feel any desire for the AI processing to be built into the device however, I'm quite happy to have it running on Google or whoever's servers and be able to access it from whatever device.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by tim333 »

tvaughan wrote: post #184
lolinder wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why Apple has failed to integrate AI successfully into the iPhone isn't because we need an AI-first device, it's because AI is still universally being strategized as a solution in search of a problem. An AI-first device at this stage will fail for the same reason: it doesn't have a mission statement to solve particular problems for real people, it has a mission statement to be an AI device. The absolute be…

How quickly we’ve forgotten about the Rabbit R1.

It was always a bit hopeless. The whole idea of let's get people to carry a second device which is like a phone but much worse rather than just using a phone app was always iffy. I guess the Apple Watch works but it's tricky.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by systemvoltage »

bobxmax wrote: post #129
amelius wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No question that Ive is a legend Not sure why he deserves to be a legend, to be honest, but yes, he is a legend. He did a good job, but those small and minimalistic designs were only possible because of the efforts of entire teams of engineers, of which the public never heard anything.

I absolutely despise comments like these, and you only see them on HN. It's like saying great architects aren't great, it's the construction workers who should get the credit.

I agree somewhat, you can feel the tension on HN with respect to labor vs capital. Which is funny because the entire premise of YC is to infuse capital and get a huge leverage over bootstrappers.
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