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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by jm4 »

mattlondon wrote: post #150
joshstrange wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote myself: "Jony Ive made incredibly poor products his last years at Apple" - So his opinion of what constitutes a "poor product" is suspect (R1 and Humane were bad products but just because you can tell what is a bad product doesn't mean you can make a good one).

Hindsight is 20/20. If they were so obviously bad at the time, how did they get to market?

I don't know anything about Humane, but the Rabbit was a terrible product right from the start. It was viewed overwhelmingly negatively as soon as it was unveiled.

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Post by tim333 »

make3 wrote: post #237
whynotminot wrote: post #78

These product-focused moves feel like a tacit admission that AGI is further away than they’ve been preaching. If it was close at hand, spending precious resources on anything other than pursuing AGI wouldn’t make sense.

it's funny I feel like top of the line LLMs are basically AGI already or very close, you can have reasonable discussions with them about any subject etc & that a lot of anti LLM talk is grasping at straws & goalpost moving

People's definitions of AGI vary a lot, although I agree LLMs are getting pretty good.

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Post by bdangubic »

ygjb wrote: post #51
Handy-Man wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Meta is thriving with Meta Ray Bans, they have sold over 2M as of few months back. (Yes I know that number seems small compared to other devices, but for a new form factor, that seems like a great early success)

Meta Ray Bans and Googles Project Aura are products that I absolutely want, but absolutely don't want to buy them from either of those companies, or any company as invasive as they are. It's long past time for enhanced privacy regulation in the North American market because these products are going to be wildly invasive as people depend on them to mediate their experience with the world. I don't know what the right a…

Meta Ray Bans and Googles Project Aura are products that I absolutely want, but absolutely don't want to buy them from either of those companies, or any company as invasive as they are.

This! So much this! If a product from these companies could make my life 1,000,000x better I would still be in “thanks but no thanks crowd”

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Post by jrflowers »

minimaxir wrote: post #3

From April: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/07/openai-reportedly-mulls-bu... > OpenAI is said to have discussed acquiring the AI hardware startup that former Apple design lead Jony Ive is building with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. According to The Information, OpenAI could pay around $500 million for the fledgling company, called io Products. How the heck did the price go up 13x?

> How the heck did the price go up 13x?

Because they’re not paying with money. It’s $6.5B of pure equity in a private company that they’ve decided to value at $300B based off of… vibes or hopes or whatever?

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Post by turnsout »

mattlondon wrote: post #150
joshstrange wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote myself: "Jony Ive made incredibly poor products his last years at Apple" - So his opinion of what constitutes a "poor product" is suspect (R1 and Humane were bad products but just because you can tell what is a bad product doesn't mean you can make a good one).

Hindsight is 20/20. If they were so obviously bad at the time, how did they get to market?

It's widely understood that Jony was given carte blanche after Steve died, to keep him at Apple. Hence the gold Apple Watch.

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Post by piskov »

easton wrote: post #68
karaterobot wrote: post #30

Sometimes two collaborators make each other better than either are alone. I get the sense that's how Steve Jobs and Jony Ive were. I've not seen anything Ive has done since be as good as what he did before. Someone has to hold the spike so the other one can swing the hammer. My guess is that's not how this relationship with Altman will work. And that picture is terrifying, please take it down and destroy the camera t…

What is it about that picture that's so icky? I had the exact same reaction.

Russians have the famous meme for that [1] (just see the photo)

Literal translation is “my snot-nosed kid / my little shit”

https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%...

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by bdangubic »

jrflowers wrote: post #286
minimaxir wrote: post #3

From April: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/07/openai-reportedly-mulls-bu... > OpenAI is said to have discussed acquiring the AI hardware startup that former Apple design lead Jony Ive is building with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. According to The Information, OpenAI could pay around $500 million for the fledgling company, called io Products. How the heck did the price go up 13x?

> How the heck did the price go up 13x? Because they’re not paying with money. It’s $6.5B of pure equity in a private company that they’ve decided to value at $300B based off of… vibes or hopes or whatever?

hey if Tesla is worth $1T OpenAI might be 10x undervalued at $300B :)

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

brulard wrote: post #278
bigyabai wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And many of those designs were made at Ive's behest, against the wishes of entire teams of engineers. I feel like we have his "courage" to blame for the Butterfly keyboard, terrible Mac thermals and the lack of ports on "Pro" computers.

I had the butterfly keyboard for 5 years yet I didn't have a single problem with it. And I'm a long time mechanical keyboards user. What is all the hate about?

Just look it up. It was a thing for years, to the point that Apple was basically forced to revert it.
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