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New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by konart »

ggm wrote: post #3

This would not have been kind to any RF/EMF systems, be they GEO, LEO or terrestrial. We'd have been walking around marvelling at st elmo's fire coming off any point-contact junction between metal or exposed metal structure, with the most fantastic skies at night. On the other hand, would allergy sufferers be marvelling at the removal of all the dust and pollen? This would be like the outdoors becoming a giant anti-s…

>Primitive man wakes up, discovers can breathe through both nostrils...

Not exactly both though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_cycle

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by bakoo »

thanatos519 wrote: post #54
coenhyde wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oxygen is a hell of a drug. I use nose strips, and I'm addicted now too.

I tried nose strips but I don't like disposables. I now use silicone nostril openers - two little tubes attached at the base that you stick up your nose. It came as a set of 4 sizes so a bit of waste there, but one size fit me and one size fit my wife.

I would love to know where you got them from!

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by shakna »

cyberax wrote: post #19
roygbiv2 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would this effect computers and everyday electrical devices? If we detected something like this heading towards us would we have to turn everything off for the day/week? That's just not possible though is it, can't just turn off nuclear power plants for the day.

There won't be any effect. Solar flares do NOT affect the devices on the ground. All the fast-moving charged particles are completely absorbed in the upper atmosphere. And to give you some perspective, the most energetic flares can produce 10^-3 W/m^2 flux at the Earth's orbit. The flares do affect the geomagnetic field. And a changing magnetic field induces current, but it becomes non-negligible only for very long c…

They won't affect your phone or laptop, but transformers along the longer ranges of the grid are unprotected.

An X-class flare won't do anything. But in the size of the article? Localised temporary blackouts would be entirely unsurprising.

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by zwnow »

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote: post #60
zwnow wrote: post #52

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Well big tech wants to replace all the white collar jobs with their bullshit ChatGPT wrappers, so it wouldn't be surprising if actual skill vanishes.

Isn't that a bit pessimistic? Assuming machine natural language understanding and general reasoning improves dramatically (which seems possible, based on recent history), it is likely that (given that we still have the data) at some point in the future anyone will have the ability to acquire these skills, or that machine agents will be skilled enough to guide human or other types of agents to do things.

The post is about solar events, good luck getting machine agents working in case this happens... It is pessimistic yes, but what in recent history did happen to not have a pessimistic outlook on things?

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 »

zwnow wrote: post #74
ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that a bit pessimistic? Assuming machine natural language understanding and general reasoning improves dramatically (which seems possible, based on recent history), it is likely that (given that we still have the data) at some point in the future anyone will have the ability to acquire these skills, or that machine agents will be skilled enough to guide human or other types of agents to do things.

The post is about solar events, good luck getting machine agents working in case this happens... It is pessimistic yes, but what in recent history did happen to not have a pessimistic outlook on things?

As far as I am aware, the vast majority of electrical components will still function during an extreme solar particle event. The major risk is to electrical distribution, but, as you are surely aware, there are other ways to access electricity off grid.

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by [deleted] »

fshafique wrote: post #70
decimalenough wrote: post #41

The article casually mentions a "notorious" 775 AD event which I'd never heard about (insert relevant XKCD here), so here's Wikipedia: The event of 774 had no significant consequences for life on Earth, but had it happened in modern times, it might have produced catastrophic damage to modern technology, particularly to communication and space-borne navigation systems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/774%E2%80%93775_car…

Chances are that people died of other causes before any cancer could metastasize.

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Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by zeristor »

If this is C14 then this requires biological matter. Carbon dating depends on C14 so I’d assume that this needs to be tied to a chain of tree ring dates going back to tie these events down.

There’s no doubt evidence of stronger events further back, it would be interesting to see if theirs a loose record of suggested intensities for those.

I take it most of these details will be in the happy which I’ll need to study.

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by greggsy »

ggm wrote: post #3

This would not have been kind to any RF/EMF systems, be they GEO, LEO or terrestrial. We'd have been walking around marvelling at st elmo's fire coming off any point-contact junction between metal or exposed metal structure, with the most fantastic skies at night. On the other hand, would allergy sufferers be marvelling at the removal of all the dust and pollen? This would be like the outdoors becoming a giant anti-s…

I recall reading about some link between respiratory effectiveness and human development.

No idea how valid that research might have been. In retrospect, it almost borders on phrenology.

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by greggsy »

hattar wrote: post #34
brookst wrote: post #16

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Damn, you took me from “hope that doesn’t happen again in my lifetime” to “oh Jesus please let that happen tomorrow” in just a few words.

I spent my whole life only breathing through half a nostril on a good day. About 10 years ago I got surgery and Sublingual Immunotherapy drops, and the results have been life changing. I sleep better, my mind is clearer, I feel like an entirely new person. I am not exaggerating when I say that I still occasionally think about how nice it is to be able to breathe clearly.

Flonase (fluticasone) has been a life changer. I have taken for granted how valuable breathing is in terms of speech, let alone sleep and general fatigue.

Re: New research reveals the strongest solar event ever detected, in 12350 BC

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Post by ajuc »

Mistletoe wrote: post #61
ggm wrote: post #3

This would not have been kind to any RF/EMF systems, be they GEO, LEO or terrestrial. We'd have been walking around marvelling at st elmo's fire coming off any point-contact junction between metal or exposed metal structure, with the most fantastic skies at night. On the other hand, would allergy sufferers be marvelling at the removal of all the dust and pollen? This would be like the outdoors becoming a giant anti-s…

I feel like primitive man had no problems breathing through both nostrils anyway. https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/allergies-are-common...

The ones that had - died as small kids.
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