I always hated Material Design, from its inception to this last version.
There might be some good reason, but it just doesn't feel right to me.
Material 3 Expressive
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#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel you guys, but do you read and write here from your laptops? I never come here from a desktop browser, only a smartphone.
> I feel you guys, but do you read and write here from your laptops? I never come here from a desktop browser, only a smartphone. I do. I hate virtual keyboards and the typing experience on a phone frustrates me to no end, and the copy & paste experience is just as poor. During the workday I don't even look at or use my phone, I reply to messages from my Mac when needed. Anything that needs more than a couple lines b…
> Having a full discussion or conversation using a phone virtual keyboard is such a user hostile experience to me.
Same - when I'm scrolling Reddit I often feel like I want to add a comment, but then think about having to "type" a few paragraphs on my phone, and just pass on it. However, I'm definitely on the older side, and I do understand that the younger generations have no such qualms.
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#383How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…
This comment speaks to me on an almost spiritual level. It highlights the fact that it isn't engineering prowess for people to get these jobs.
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#384Wow, I’m on my phone and the slight upwards motion that each paragraph does as it scrolls into view is almost instantly nauseating. I had to close the tab after reading only the first two paragraphs (and scrolling down the page to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating). First time I’ve had motion sickness from reading while not actually moving. Well done Google designers, that’s impressive. Reader mode to the rescue.
This was the only thing I could focus on. Why would anyone make a page where content scrolls at a different rate than I am scrolling?
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#385How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…
By calling them engineers you're only feeding the ego.
Any idiot can build a page that loads, but it takes an engineer to build a page that barely loads.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here are some objective issues with this page that I don't think is really up to taste (honestly these are so obvious that I assume you viewed the website on mobile which is fair, I never used the mobile version. Because I don't think anyone in good conscience would argue with the terribleness of the desktop version of the website). Note that I will not include many taste-based issues with the website (like the god-a…
> the page flashbangs you Did anyone understand what the purpose of that was?
Emotional connection.
Those who experience trauma together often form a strong emotional bond.
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#387That's a mixed bag. Have a look at the linked https://m3.material.io/blog/building-with-m3-expressive to get a better impression of what this is about. From the guidelines given there, many parts of the design make sense and will help designs work better - grouping objects properly, be aware of contrast to highlight important elements, more options for good typography (instead of basically none, Android/Material offe…
Can you recommend another comprehensive design system? As an engineer, that's the most valuable thing about MD3: the figma design kit and per component design guidelines. It lets me offload a ton of workload I'd otherwise have to do myself (poorly) or outsource to a designer.
I haven't seen another design system that is as comprehensive to material. Express seems like an evolutionary refresh with some things I could use right away, but otherwise most of the content is MD3. It's valuable to me as part of the larger ecosystem.
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#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mouse cursor / general performance complaint is valid but: > spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. These systems don't exist unless you go out of your way to turn off graphics acceleration. In which case that's kinda on you. It's like ranting about sites requiring javascript. It's just not a realistic expectation to have of anything anymore.
> In which case that's kinda on you. What if I turned it off because it makes my machine more stable? Why do I have to choose between crashing and jank?
What on earth are you running that has such a bad GPU driver that it can't handle chrome/firefox, yet also is so niche that they don't have driver workarounds for it?
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#389I have two thoughts that keep jumping out at me from this. This criticism isn't meant solely for Material 3, but it does seem a good example. 1. Since the beginning of "mobile first" being rapidly shoved on us (and side-note, god our industry seems to love bandwagoning the new shiny stuff), I've noticed the slow but inevitable (with a northstar like that) decline and neglect of desktop interfaces. Viewing this websit…
This post explains the methodology:
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#390Wow, in the process of making the send button slightly easier to find, they reduced the amount of actual content in the screen by a couple lines. And they still overlay controls on the content, thus obscuring some of it, just like earlier versions of Material Design. The prettier and more fun modern UIs get, the more I miss the UIs of the nineties. Controls looked like controls, screen space was well utilized, and ev…
I thought so too, but if you consider they removed the "from", "to", "subject" and top actions panels, the original had less content space. On the screenshot, the original had 152px of content height and the new one has 232px, ~ 150% of the old one. The one on the right shows a picture that's also content. I assume they redesigned the email thread so the box above the current email is the mail the person is responding to, with the pictures attached.