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Material 3 Expressive
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#212> In many cases, we chose to exceed existing standards for tap target size, color contrast, and other important aspects that can make interfaces easier to use. So now even more space is wasted, making interfaces harder to use, but yes, the less important metric "how much time does it take on first use to spot a button" will shoot through the roof of you make the button full screen width (10x faster!). Thought it will…
In my view, peak design is the "density" setting in Gmail where you could select between 3 degrees of density and wasted space in the UI. Even though I like somewhat denser interfaces, I know that lots of whitespace is GREAT for new users. Just like I know everything needs to be in the UI (~80-90% of users click the undo button instead of typing Ctrl+Z in many apps). There has to be space for a learning curve for any…
> Button instead of Ctrl+Z
This is rather different, this is ignorance, so button alternatives are helpful for ignorant users (although one of the reasons for such widespread ignorance is precisely because there isn't really much of a learning curve since interfaces don't actually teach you much if at all)
But for a lot of whitespace instead of content, what exactly does it teach new users? Consider the toolbar example, how would showing a new user 3 buttons (left, right, section name) help instead of showing 3 buttons with section name and a 4th partial text button with section name?
Also, gmail density mostly affects vertical density, the number of horizontal tabs doesn't change, so the control density doesn't change as much except for the left list of categories (but only if it's a big list otherwise it would still fit in sparse UI ), making this mostly an aesthetic choice (unless you often need to see a lot of emails in a list)
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? FWIW, the link is to basically a glorified demo page _of the design_ of material 3, not a real world implementation of that design. So, that page's performance is not at all reflective of what you'd see when using a relatively recent android app that uses flutter's material components ( https://docs.flutter.dev/ui/widgets/material ) or one of the many web c…
If the people who came up with this design can not make the demo site performant, site which will be the first impression of your new design language for most, I don't think there is much hope for the rest of us. But since this has name of Google attached to it, many people will mindless ape it to the detriment of experience of their users.
This page is a promo page of the ux design language people as created by UXD/UXE role people.
It's basically like looking at a Figma export and complaining about the performance of it; any actual implementation would be done for any user-facing products realistically will be entirely unrelated both technologically and organizationally.
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#214Instantly hate that page for changing my cursor. Why do they even do that?
First, they came for my scroll bars...
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#215Challenge: find positive comment about m3 here
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#216Wow; if you squint - it looks like the Apple design. But with really awful colors. And near Comic Sans fonts.
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#217I genuinely would not hire an ex-Google designer for my startup. These metrics are so nonsensical: > We found a 32% increase in subculture perception, which indicates that expressive design makes a brand feel more relevant and “in-the-know.” Show me metrics that move something tangible, like conversion rates. If you can't do that, we both know why.
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#218I can't take this research seriously.
> M3 Expressive designs were rated higher across desirability attributes, including “modernity,” “subculture,” and “rebelliousness.”
Subculture and rebelliousness as features of a corporate design system? What exactly were the survey questions?
> While there was a net-positive indication across all age groups, younger study participants had the most enthusiastic preference for M3 Expressive and rated the designs as high in “visual appeal” and “intention to use.”
Again compared to what, and how were the questions framed. 'Intention to use' questions are almost always leading.
In general I think the designs look pretty good, why not just let them speak for themselves instead of foisting nonsense survey results upon us.
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#219Brutal. But it resonates with those 18-24 year olds, at least.
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#220How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…
They also seemingly went out of their way to prevent ctrl/cmd+click on several anchor elements in pages like https://m3.material.io/components .
Arrreg!! So many of these React (et al) sites, with poorly re-built elements and break the built-in functionality! The A tag works perfect! But no, we need three or four nested divs, components, and many lines of JS to end up with something worse.
Is React the driver? Do devs just not know? Is management pushing garbage?